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Old 03-07-2012, 03:14 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Well another data point to add to the discussion. The only single Obama auto in 1600 Penn sold for $960 at auction while the only single Obama out of Oval Office to have sold went for $850 with a BO. There is a live auction currently going for another Oval Office cut ending in 5 days.

President Barack Obama AUTO Leaf 2012 Oval Office Cut Signature #4/5 | eBay
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Millard Fillmore Leaf Oval Office:

1/4 = $460
2/4 = $460
4/4 = $475

Millard Fillmore 1600 Penn:

1/1 = $700

MILLARD FILLMORE 1/1 CUT AUTOGRAPH 1600 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE 13TH PRESIDENT | eBay

And it's wise to keep in mind that not only did the 1600 Penn bring more, there was another cut and 4 other cards in that box. Oval Office only had that 1 cut that brought a lot less.

Oval Office cards won't always bring less, but there are several examples of them bringing a lot less.
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:18 PM   #152 (permalink)
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All I can really say is that I am very happy with my 1600 Penn break. I have sold the Thomas Jefferson, Jackie Kennedy and 13 base cards offline and not only do I have my initial investment back but am well ahead. I still have the Hoover Dual, Taft, Carter dual and 2 Cabinet member Cuts to sell
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:00 PM   #153 (permalink)
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And more:

Millard Fillmore Leaf Oval Office:

1/4 = $460
2/4 = $460
4/4 = $475

Millard Fillmore 1600 Penn:

1/1 = $700

MILLARD FILLMORE 1/1 CUT AUTOGRAPH 1600 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE 13TH PRESIDENT | eBay

And it's wise to keep in mind that not only did the 1600 Penn bring more, there was another cut and 4 other cards in that box. Oval Office only had that 1 cut that brought a lot less.

Oval Office cards won't always bring less, but there are several examples of them bringing a lot less.
Goes with the older presidents out of 1600 sell better observation. What is the big crazy mojo hit to get out of 1600 Penn? I know Oval Office had the Washington and Washington/Lincoln.
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:23 PM   #154 (permalink)
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What is the big crazy mojo hit to get out of 1600 Penn? I know Oval Office had the Washington and Washington/Lincoln.
Several: definitely JFK/Marilyn Monroe and JFK/Castro; probably Clinton/Lewinsky and Reagan/Hinckley. Reagan/Gorbachev and Reagan/Thatcher could also make some noise.
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Old 03-07-2012, 06:52 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Theres a clinton/lewinski? Ha thats morbidly awesome! Heck with that and the JFK/marilyn we can have the democrat infidelity subset... Just an idea
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:16 PM   #156 (permalink)
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And more:

Millard Fillmore Leaf Oval Office:

1/4 = $460
2/4 = $460
4/4 = $475

Millard Fillmore 1600 Penn:

1/1 = $700

MILLARD FILLMORE 1/1 CUT AUTOGRAPH 1600 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE 13TH PRESIDENT | eBay

And it's wise to keep in mind that not only did the 1600 Penn bring more, there was another cut and 4 other cards in that box. Oval Office only had that 1 cut that brought a lot less.

Oval Office cards won't always bring less, but there are several examples of them bringing a lot less.
Keep in mind that some of those figures are based upon Buy It Now/Best Offer which is kind of unfair to judge the entire market on as the seller dictates everything. At least 2 of the OO Fillmores sold that way.

A more judicial way of comparing would be to find similar pieces that each went through an auction so that the buyers and the market determined the comparable values.
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Keep in mind that some of those figures are based upon Buy It Now/Best Offer which is kind of unfair to judge the entire market on as the seller dictates everything. At least 2 of the OO Fillmores sold that way.

A more judicial way of comparing would be to find similar pieces that each went through an auction so that the buyers and the market determined the comparable values.
I agree, but sales are sales. This hobby would be a lot better off if sellers would stop undercutting each other.
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I agree, but sales are sales. This hobby would be a lot better off if sellers would stop undercutting each other.
That's why values tank so bad after a week of release .

The best thing to do would be to compute the expected value for each products box break. That would end the debate once and for all lol.
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That's why values tank so bad after a week of release .
I agree that's one of the reasons.
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I agree that's one of the reasons.
Good ole supply and demand
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Good ole supply and demand
Not necessarily. If two people want something, and they're willing to pay $100, and they see a BIN for $50, that seller will set the market at $50.

Patient sellers are great for this hobby.
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Not necessarily. If two people want something, and they're willing to pay $100, and they see a BIN for $50, that seller will set the market at $50.

Patient sellers are great for this hobby.
As a buyer I selfishly love the undercutting. That Fillmore for $475 was an awesome deal but the signature was just too washed out for me. I'm surprised it sat for as long as it did thought at that price(sat for only a few hrs).
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:54 AM   #163 (permalink)
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Does anyone have an idea of what a Gerald Ford/Sara Jane Moore 1/1 dual (oval office) is worth? I had to look up Moore ... She tried to assassinate him. I think the dual cut is pretty cool but not sure on value. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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I take it you pulled this?

The only easy answer is that this'd be worth more than any other Ford cut in the product. It has a lot of novelty, and I have no idea how available Moore's sig is.

There's a lot of interest in assassins (and would-be assassins). There's even been a Broadway musical called "Assassins" by the great Stephen Sondheim. Moore is a character in the show!
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I sold my Leaf Oval Grover Cleveland/Stevenson Dual Cut #1/1 for $775 last night. The same 1600 Penn #1/1 went for a little under $700. That's a fair comparison.

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I take it you pulled this?

The only easy answer is that this'd be worth more than any other Ford cut in the product. It has a lot of novelty, and I have no idea how available Moore's sig is.

There's a lot of interest in assassins (and would-be assassins). There's even been a Broadway musical called "Assassins" by the great Stephen Sondheim. Moore is a character in the show!
I did pull it ... Did like the novelty aspect but I guess the main thing I'm after is an idea of what the Moore would add ... It's a very intriguing dual but wasnt sure what kind of interest was out there for this sort of thing. Thanks for the info!
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I sold my Leaf Oval Grover Cleveland/Stevenson Dual Cut #1/1 for $775 last night. The same 1600 Penn #1/1 went for a little under $700. That's a fair comparison.

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mwheeler were you bidding on this one? Someone wanted this one more than I did! $96 for a base card!

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mwheeler were you bidding on this one? Someone wanted this one more than I did! $96 for a base card!

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$96 is cheap considering some of the base card sales!

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I know .. Its killing my white house pets set im trying build.. I win some at under 15 dollats then lose one over 100
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I decided to sell my oval office John q Adams /5 at auction and it got $865. The penn 1/1 sold for $825. Not a big difference but something to compare. Pretty bad that an Obama will sell for more than a John q Adams.
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:30 AM   #172 (permalink)
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Crazy the two Lincoln duals were pulled from the same shop on the same day, by the same guy.

How the hell does that happen
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Partial base card set at auction right now and it's over $3,000!

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Partial base card set at auction right now and it's over $3,000!

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That is only $35 a card...so I could see the bidding continuing. I might have to list my base card since it is one of the 8 this lot doesnt include!
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Partial base card set at auction right now and it's over $3,000!

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I figured you would have completed a base set by now.
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