Beware of Ink Vault by Razor

[John91C]

Originally Posted by dd316

Sorry bud, I have to call BS on this. There are no "authentic" triple autographed cards in Charmed Conversations (and Rose McGowan did NOT sign for this release). And if there were, it would have the Inkworks Autograph stamp on it.

Got a scan of the back of that card, by chance?

I'm not saying the autos are not authentic, but they did not come from Inkworks signed.

I also think this is BS...according to NSU there's no triple auto and if you actually pulled this from a Razor Ink Archives then the top right corner of the card is stamped with Inkworks Authentic. I've opened many of boxes of this product and never had one card without the stamp. Are you sure you didn't buy this of ebay and the seller told you he pulled it from a Ink Archives box?

[iluvfish2]

Post a scan of the back as well if could. Between the guys on here and my wife, I'm sure we can figure out if it was made. Charmed Conversations did have at least dual autos. I think my wife dropped 300+ for one of them to finish her master set (has all the cards minus the two or three rare patch versions).

[John91C]

Originally Posted by iluvfish2

Post a scan of the back as well if could. Between the guys on here and my wife, I'm sure we can figure out if it was made. Charmed Conversations did have at least dual autos. I think my wife dropped 300+ for one of them to finish her master set (has all the cards minus the two or three rare patch versions).

I've seen the dual autos from the Destiny set: Combs/Krause is listed. Nothing listed in the Conversations but doesn't mean it wasn't made. Luvfish does the dual have the inkworks authentic stamp? I thought all inkwork products have the stamp.

[iluvfish2]

Opps..My Bad..wife did Destiny..been considering Conversations. Will make her dig them out and post a few scans tonight

[mjbentzen]

Originally Posted by John91C

I also think this is BS...according to NSU there's no triple auto and if you actually pulled this from a Razor Ink Archives then the top right corner of the card is stamped with Inkworks Authentic. I've opened many of boxes of this product and never had one card without the stamp. Are you sure you didn't buy this of ebay and the seller told you he pulled it from a Ink Archives box?

The wife and I opened a box of Ink Archives and this was in one of the packs, incased. I havent brought anything on ebay in over 10 yrs.

[John91C]

Originally Posted by mjbentzen

The wife and I opened a box of Ink Archives and this was in one of the packs, incased. I havent brought anything on ebay in over 10 yrs.

Well you might have a 1/1 with a triple auto. There's no price guide on it so you could probably throw it on ebay and get some good $ since there's a big following for Charmed.


Do you have a scan of the back of the card?

[dd316]

I just emailed Brian at Razor, we'll see what he says.

[bmc398]

Originally Posted by mjbentzen

The wife and I opened a box of Ink Archives and this was in one of the packs, incased. I havent brought anything on ebay in over 10 yrs.

The holder its in is not what the encased cards come in...

I smell some bullish...

[dd316]

Originally Posted by mjbentzen

The wife and I opened a box of Ink Archives and this was in one of the packs, incased. I havent brought anything on ebay in over 10 yrs.

10 years? More like 10 days.

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[dd316]

Originally Posted by dd316

I just emailed Brian at Razor, we'll see what he says.

Well, that was fast! Thanks, Brian! His response below:

That card is 100% NOT from our product.

[John91C]

Ahhh so the truth comes out...I bet he did buy this on Ebay and once he found out it was a "fake" he tries to blame it on the Razor company. The dude won't even show the back of the card to prove it's a Inkworks product. Like I said before every product I've bought whether it's archives or vault has the stamp in the upper right corner, even the ones I pull from inkworks boxes!

[Zerokruel]

Wow, the BS in the thread got deep. Great job on getting to the bottom of it Ted!

[dd316]

Originally Posted by John91C

Ahhh so the truth comes out...I bet he did buy this on Ebay and once he found out it was a "fake" he tries to blame it on the Razor company. The dude won't even show the back of the card to prove it's a Inkworks product. Like I said before every product I've bought whether it's archives or vault has the stamp in the upper right corner, even the ones I pull from inkworks boxes!

Well, it is an Inkworks product, but the autographs are definitely aftermarket, whether they're authentic or not.

And check out this auction: CHARMED ALYSSA MILANO, BRIAN KRAUSE AUTOGRAPH CARD #32 - eBay (item 260470116976 end time Sep-06-09 13:42:09 PDT)

Looks like it's from the same set....

Oh, and this one: CHARMED ALYSSA MILANO, BRIAN KRAUSE AUTOGRAPH CARD #32 - eBay (item 260470116976 end time Sep-06-09 13:42:09 PDT)

That second seller has TONS of autos from the set....

[webjon]

Not all Inkworks autographs have a foil stamp.

[dd316]

Originally Posted by webjon

Not all Inkworks autographs have a foil stamp.

They may not all be foil, but I can't recall any that didn't have the Inkworks Authentic circle logo.

[webjon]

There are many early Inkworks autographs that don't have a stamp on them, for example Men In Black I Cunningham, plus more recent things like AVP's Lance Henricksen (sp?), and Lara Flynn Boyle from Men In Black II.

[Zerokruel]

Originally Posted by webjon

There are many early Inkworks autographs that don't have a stamp on them, for example Men In Black I Cunningham, plus more recent things like AVP's Lance Henricksen (sp?), and Lara Flynn Boyle from Men In Black II.

Laura Flynn
Men In Black II or MIB LARA FLYNN BOYLE Auto. Card #A3 - eBay (item 300346524548 end time Sep-19-09 22:09:01 PDT)

MEN IN BLACK II AUTOGRAPH AUTO #A3: LARA FLYNN BOYLE - eBay (item 320239075212 end time Oct-04-09 21:44:39 PDT)

Coulding find a MIB I Cunningham.. Found MIB II
09 Razor Inkworks Lowell Cunningham Men in Black II A7 - eBay (item 350245983302 end time Sep-27-09 19:04:58 PDT)

The Lance Henriksen was not originaly a packed out card. It was given as an incentive to dealers. I believe it say it is authentic on the back.

[dd316]

Originally Posted by Zerokruel

The Lance Henriksen was not originaly a packed out card. It was given as an incentive to dealers. I believe it say it is authentic on the back.

From Inkworks' site:

Lance Henriksen Autographed Card - Lance Henriksen (Weyland), star of Aliens, Alien3, and Millennium, has graciously agreed to autograph cards for the ALIEN VS. PREDATOR release. This autograph was not originally planned as part of the set, but was worked out with Mr. Henriksen at the recent San Diego Comic Con. These autographs will be signed on a base card from the set, but each will be embossed to certify that they are authentic Inkworks autographs. Cards will be shipped to retailers based on qualifying AVP orders and previous AVP shipments. Retailers should contact their distributor or the Inkworks sales office for more details.




I'd like to see a closeup of the embossing.

[Zerokruel]

You can see it better in this auction.

AVP - RARE- LANCE HENRIKSEN Auto. Card + LATHAN Auto. - eBay (item 300346525810 end time Sep-19-09 22:21:35 PDT)

[webjon]

There is another LFB autograph that is on a common card -- trust me, it exists.

The Men In Black I Cunningham is signed on a promo with an embossed stamp that simply says 'Inkworks'.

MIB II is an entirely different beast.

I'm sure Allender's site discusses both of those cards.

[galar]

Originally Posted by webjon

There are many early Inkworks autographs that don't have a stamp on them, for example Men In Black I Cunningham, plus more recent things like AVP's Lance Henricksen (sp?), and Lara Flynn Boyle from Men In Black II.

See Inkworks | Entertainment Trading Cards for the story on the Boyle cards and explaination for other earlier autographs that do not have an Inkworks foil stamp on them.

Also, the Razor version of the Henrickson cards do not have the embossing on them (I have one) so I would only trust the ones with the Razor sticker still intact.

[dd316]

Originally Posted by Zerokruel

You can see it better in this auction.

AVP - RARE- LANCE HENRIKSEN Auto. Card + LATHAN Auto. - eBay (item 300346525810 end time Sep-19-09 22:21:35 PDT)

Ah, thanks!

[dd316]

So, would it be safe to say that if that Charmed triple auto doesn't have the logo OR embossing, it's not Inkworks certified?

[webjon]

There are others too -- like the Spawn Movie (Maybe Toy Files too), and Women of Bond. I'm sure there are more.

[John91C]

but what we're saying here is that if purchasing the razor products from archives or vault the included autos have the foil stamp or embossed stamp. The op said he pulled the triple auto out of the Razor Archives box but yet it doesn't have the foil/embossed stamp. I would assume razor would only include products that are known to be authentic and not "after-market" signatures.