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Old 06-04-2013, 02:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Seems like an art agent with a stable of Overseas artists has pimped them out to the big comics licensed card companies for like a dollar a card. This may explain why some of us have been dropped by these companies. I'd say it's Upperdeck and Cryptozoic but I don't know but there has been some crap art on the last few sets by these companies. Wonder who this art agent could be?
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What is up with this? I saw it posted on FB and figured it was a joke, and then you used the winky smiley... am I missing something?
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah we may know who this person is, The agent.
It sucks for all involved. The artwork is substandard the work isn't being offered except to supposed top artists, these guys overseas are being lied to and the rest of us are being undercut. This all won't end well.
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Welcome to the modern economy (I work in IT, so I know how this goes)
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Name the agent and name the artists. Why not name the companies as well.

Speculation is gossip. And we're all better than to gossip.
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because we don't know for a fact who is involved. The guy who started the thread on FB knows but he's playing coy.
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Then this is simply hearsay. Until then it's not worth talking about.

I usually play coy when I don't know what's going on either.
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it's always worth talking about shady business
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Old 06-04-2013, 04:10 PM   #9 (permalink)
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What's funny is some companies already pay $1 a card, so what are they saving by going through this "agent" outsourcing work?
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it's always worth talking about shady business
No, this is speculation and nothing factual. Just started a crap throwing fest does no good, unless we have some facts to back it up.

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Yeah we may know who this person is, The agent.
It sucks for all involved. The artwork is substandard the work isn't being offered except to supposed top artists, these guys overseas are being lied to and the rest of us are being undercut. This all won't end well.
As a software developer who had to move from the beautiful state of Minnesota to the %*#hole commonwealth of Virginia nine years ago for work ... WELCOME TO CAPITALISM!

Just remember: in about five years you're all going to be millionaires operating your own card companies so you just have to put up with this BS for a tiny bit longer hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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%*#hole commonwealth of Virginia nine years ago for work ... WELCOME TO CAPITALISM!
You are in Northern Virginia. That is not Virginia
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I've seen this referenced a few times now, never with any facts, evidence or names. Ultimately, it serves no purpose as it certainly doesn't encourage intelligent discussion on the matter.

Until I hear otherwise, I'll just assume that THIS is the new thing that's killing the art / sketch card industry this week, or until the next grand conspiracy commences.
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Old 06-04-2013, 04:59 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Wait... they outsourced sketch card drawing to China??? LOL.
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Most times people don't want to talk about stuff like this is because they have a vested interest or a job to protect. Reminds me of the congress with the numerous scandals. Npothing to see here, oh look a shiny object.
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Most times people don't want to talk about stuff like this is because they have a vested interest or a job to protect. Reminds me of the congress with the numerous scandals. Npothing to see here, oh look a shiny object.
It sounds to me like artists have been taking less and less just to stay on sets, if they even actually end up with a check at all.

The card companies just found a way to take it even further, IF this is a true story.

The good news is there probably hasn't been a better time for artists to have direct access to consumers so they can make some money without having to do the sets if they wanted. Granted, you won't be getting those $100 APs, but honestly not many artists are getting those anymore anyway.
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I don't have Facebook. Could somebody cut and paste the damn thing over here, and credit the originator?

Without knowing what you guys are talking about, I will say this. If you pull up the artist numbers for Marvel Greatest Heroes or Marvel Bronze Age and go ahead and locate the artists that have done more than 150 cards (Very Limited and Limited), you will see that most of them are located in South America or Asia and I would be very surprised to learn any of them were getting paid more than $1 a card.

EDIT: There are certainly exceptions of artists living in these areas and probably getting paid the going US rate for cards (i.e., Nestor Celario) but they are not artists doing 150+
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I don't have Facebook. Could somebody cut and paste the damn thing over here, and credit the originator?

Without knowing what you guys are talking about, I will say this. If you pull up the artist numbers for Marvel Greatest Heroes or Marvel Bronze Age and go ahead and locate the artists that have done more than 150 cards (Very Limited and Limited), you will see that most of them are located in South America or Asia and I would be very surprised to learn any of them were getting paid more than $1 a card.

EDIT: There are certainly exceptions of artists living in these areas and probably getting paid the going US rate for cards (i.e., Nestor Celario) but they are not artists doing 150+
how and why do you not have a facebook lol. the pros greatly outweigh the cons when it comes to having one.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
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My 2 cents...

While these card companies may have helped get some exposure for some great artists who may not have gotten the exposure otherwise, these artist have become a part of the brand as well. Dropping a bunch of well known artists makes me lose interest. I love seeing new cards from artists I'm familiar with, and even a few new artists on each set, but with releases like The walking Dead Comic series 2 having all new names and style is just really off-putting.

TWD is what got me into card collecting in the first place so (for me) it's a pretty big deal that I have absolutely zero interest in this set mainly because of the artist list. I do plan on buying all of Remi Doussett's APs from this set again, but that's about it
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Hell if it's the person I know even his artists have to go through him to get AP's sold. I need to ask a few of the guys I know who do bidnezz with him to get the skinny. I do know one guy who had to wait to get his payment from his agent. I told him never let anyone handle your money. Maybe now he'll at least contact the card companies direct himself and blow off this agent.
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how and why do you not have a facebook lol. the pros greatly outweigh the cons when it comes to having one.
Oh... I didn't realize the pros greatly outweigh the cons.

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We must be talking about Jake Mackessy (Mercenary Art Studio).. It always takes me a second to figure out who were talking about, when the information isn't being put out there.
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We must be talking about Jake Mackessy (Mercenary Art Studio).. It always takes me a second to figure out who were talking about, when the information isn't being put out there.
OK, so someone fill me in....
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OK, so someone fill me in....
My apologies, I know nothing about the back story - however he is the only "agent" I know of in the sketch card market. I also believe most of his artist are over seas/International talent.

However, I know nothing about the gossip.
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My apologies, I know nothing about the back story - however he is the only "agent" I know of in the sketch card market. I also believe most of his artist are over seas/International talent.

However, I know nothing about the gossip.
I don't know the inside story, but I believe Jake was selling some of Roy's sketch cover work at one time (at least it was represented to me that way). So, I wonder if it might be someone else or Roy would have more info about it.
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