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Old 11-16-2013, 12:21 PM   #1701 (permalink)
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Mars attacks Crosby cards are the best!
I think Pepes are better.

Speaking of.....Hopefully I can get started on our proposed trade of sketch card commissions soon. I've finally ordered some blanks!
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:24 PM   #1702 (permalink)
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Yes! Anytime. Just let me know.
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I think Pepes are better.

Speaking of.....Hopefully I can get started on our proposed trade of sketch card commissions soon. I've finally ordered some blanks!
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Old 11-16-2013, 01:49 PM   #1704 (permalink)
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I think Pepes are better.

Speaking of.....Hopefully I can get started on our proposed trade of sketch card commissions soon. I've finally ordered some blanks!
I'm partial to the Finneral cards myself... I have a VAST collection of his extremely rare original works that I've been accumulating for decades...

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Old 11-16-2013, 02:14 PM   #1705 (permalink)
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How about a collaboration AP?? I would pay a pretty penny to each of you for one of those!!
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:40 PM   #1706 (permalink)
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How about a collaboration AP?? I would pay a pretty penny to each of you for one of those!!
It would also be nice to commission several artists to do their take on the same subject, like a specific iconic album cover, or something like that.
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:45 PM   #1707 (permalink)
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heres and ideer. Have someone do a base layout drawing that covers 6 cards, making sure each card stands on it's own and send that drawing to each artist after ya'll figure out who wants which. Then each artist does their thing.

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Old 11-16-2013, 03:25 PM   #1708 (permalink)
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Hey Alvin,

Just thought of another idea for an insert in the next MA set... Blank sketch cards!

Over in another collector website, there is the belief by some that UD will be inserting blank sketch cards in the Marvel Now set (whether or not this rumor turns out to be true is being debated).

I was thinking this would be a GREAT addition for Topps next MA set (it was done previously in a Topps baseball set with You Sketch It blank inserts). Maybe insert blank sketch cards with MA logo 1 per 8 packs? It would be a cool hit, and might lead to more commissions for the artists participating in the next set (which could potentially help you in recruiting more artists).

I would still have normal sketch cards hit 1 per box, but these blanks (on separate card stock to differentiate them) would be extra hit(s) in each box.

Is this idea doable?
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:31 PM   #1709 (permalink)
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A good looking checklist... Mars Attacks Invasion

I was unaware of some of the variants listed.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:37 PM   #1710 (permalink)
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A good looking checklist... Mars Attacks Invasion

I was unaware of some of the variants listed.
Nice find A couple of the autos weren't included, but looks pretty complete.
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Old 11-16-2013, 05:11 PM   #1711 (permalink)
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Re: sketch card blanks

I heard the discussion about them with Marvel NOW and I don't really understand the appeal of these. People who would get commissions would likely do that anyway. People who aren't into sketches are going to wonder what they are for, like I did when I pulled "You Sketch It" cards a few years ago. And people who like sketches will see it as potentially further devaluing the packed out sketches if people start putting out a bunch of sketches on Mars Attacks stock, especially when some non-set artists (or people who fancy themselves artists) start selling their sketches on these cards.

Seems like a no win situation to me.
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Those card blanks don't do much for me honestly - just get a PSC or buy an AP direct.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:53 PM   #1713 (permalink)
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I heard the discussion about them with Marvel NOW and I don't really understand the appeal of these. People who would get commissions would likely do that anyway. People who aren't into sketches are going to wonder what they are for, like I did when I pulled "You Sketch It" cards a few years ago. And people who like sketches will see it as potentially further devaluing the packed out sketches if people start putting out a bunch of sketches on Mars Attacks stock, especially when some non-set artists (or people who fancy themselves artists) start selling their sketches on these cards.

Seems like a no win situation to me.
I don't like the idea at all. I think it takes away from the artists who are official for the set.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:57 PM   #1714 (permalink)
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First of all, I'm pretty sure UD isn't inserting blank sketch cards. I think Ed just misinterpreted the press release. I could be wrong, but I don't think Marvel would have allowed it. After all, all pack inserted sketch cards and APs require approval by Marvel. Sending licensed stock out there that doesn't require approval and could potential get Batman or some Marvel based porn drawn on seems pretty unlikely to me.

I'm in agreement with most of what Monkey said. I don't think there will be any questions about what they are for in a product like Mars Attacks, but I do think it would degrade the brand.
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I guess each has there own tastes. I think cards on official Mars Attacks or Marvel card stock would hold more value than PSCs. Think about them being limited edition blanks that would be unique to each set they are packed in.

I also don't agree that it is a no-win scenario, as artists would benefit from getting more commissions from it. They currently get around $5/card (I think) for those that are inserted into sets and then are able to sell 6 returns on average. Since they would likely get AP-level prices for these commissions on pack inserted blanks, it would boost their earnings.
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First of all, I'm pretty sure UD isn't inserting blank sketch cards. I think Ed just misinterpreted the press release. I could be wrong, but I don't think Marvel would have allowed it. After all, all pack inserted sketch cards and APs require approval by Marvel. Sending licensed stock out there that doesn't require approval and could potential get Batman or some Marvel based porn drawn on seems pretty unlikely to me.

I'm in agreement with most of what Monkey said. I don't think there will be any questions about what they are for in a product like Mars Attacks, but I do think it would degrade the brand.
Good points. The reason I thought MA would make a perfect outlet for the experiment is that Topps owns the property outright (ie they don't have to jump through licensing hoops that UD has to with Marvel).

As for devaluing the brand, I'm not sure that would be the case. Marvel prints blank cover comic book variants for fans to commission art from artists. The comics still seem to do well, and artists get another revenue stream.

I would be interested in knowing what sketch card artists think of this idea. I know many artists offer PSCs, but they also are likely frustrated that these cards (with the same amount of effort) ultimately sell for far lower than an AP. As mentioned in my post above, I think a licensed pack inserted blank sketch would nab AP level prices for the artists.
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:32 PM   #1717 (permalink)
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I think a cool artist collaboration would be to treat it like comic book art. example: 1st come up with a idea or design that is unique - then one artist pencils, then the next inks, and next colors. really well though out cards could end up being masterpieces. But because it experimental you could get a few bad ones .lol - best to get 3 or 4 skilled artists that have similar techniques. who knows.....
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As for devaluing the brand, I'm not sure that would be the case. Marvel prints blank cover comic book variants for fans to commission art from artists. The comics still seem to do well, and artists get another revenue stream.
The artists that work on the set are already getting cards to sell, some of which are blank. They are not guaranteed to get these cards for commission, you could commission Joe Blow to do your card. Joe Blow wins and you win, not the artists that worked on the set.

Putting more sketch cards out there (you suggested 1:8 packs, or 3/box blank) would devalue the sketch cards SIGNIFICANTLY because now there would be 4 times as many, and the art on them would be uncontrolled. You may be responsible, but not everybody will - Alf will end up on these cards! A commission redemption which had to be redeemed with an artist that worked on the set, inserted at maybe 1:500 packs, would be a better suggestion in my opinion. There are still problems with this, most significantly some artists not wanting to do these commission cards. I know other companies that have done this have offered the artists additional blank cards as payment for agreeing to do these, but not everybody is so easily swayed.
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edit: Spider beat me with basically the same view! Bad, spider!

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Good points. The reason I thought MA would make a perfect outlet for the experiment is that Topps owns the property outright (ie they don't have to jump through licensing hoops that UD has to with Marvel).

As for devaluing the brand, I'm not sure that would be the case. Marvel prints blank cover comic book variants for fans to commission art from artists. The comics still seem to do well, and artists get another revenue stream.

I would be interested in knowing what sketch card artists think of this idea. I know many artists offer PSCs, but they also are likely frustrated that these cards (with the same amount of effort) ultimately sell for far lower than an AP. As mentioned in my post above, I think a licensed pack inserted blank sketch would nab AP level prices for the artists.
It's been done... Legends and Lore from Sadlittles had collector blanks inserted. I got into sketch cards just after that so I don't remember why Sadlittles decided not to do it again, but that was a decision they made.

There were a couple collectors that LOVED it and bought up blanks from others who could care less. Artists were kind of a non-thing, though. Unless they bought packs themselves, they didn't get them any way but by being asked by a collector who had some (or through deals with the owner, which was something else entirely). Like a Sadie Hawkins dance, it was nice to get asked and I do believe they got more than PSC prices but there wasn't a really good way to advertise your willingness without looking desperate. Most I saw completed were done by artists who were NOT on the actual set, since the collectors were using them as "what if" wish fulfillment kind of things. Doesn't that make it more like competition against your APs? Who knows.

I'd be gameto work on them, if asked, for just about any sets that had them and specifically allowed non-set artist participation (I'm a stickler for rules) just like I did the sketch cover, but it wouldn't have any impact on whether or not I'd actually draw for a set.
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I think a cool artist collaboration would be to treat it like comic book art. example: 1st come up with a idea or design that is unique - then one artist pencils, then the next inks, and next colors. really well though out cards could end up being masterpieces. But because it experimental you could get a few bad ones .lol - best to get 3 or 4 skilled artists that have similar techniques. who knows.....
That's how the redemption collabs for the Crpytozoic Superman set worked. I've also done a few different sets (and other fun projects) that way. Definitely polarized results.
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I'm in agreement with most of what Monkey said. I don't think there will be any questions about what they are for in a product like Mars Attacks, but I do think it would degrade the brand.
Maybe I'm underestimating them, but I wonder if most people busting Mars Attacks know that commissions, APs, etc. even are around? I can see them getting the blank card and being like



and then giving to a young relative or their kids to draw on like I did
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EDIT: my reply below is to Spiders last post... Others posted as I was typing...

Again ... good points!

I would like to point out Marvel still releases blank comic covers into the wild, and they would have the same "risk" of non-Marvel properties appearing on them. It doesn't appear to be a hurdle for their existence, so it wouldnt be a hurdle for sketch cards.

Someone mentioned in another thread that UD has to be stricter with it's AP approvals and lack of aftermarkets, but that is because they are a licensee of Marvels creations. Since Topps owns MA, they wouldnt face the same licensee hurdles, and could do similar arrangement as Marvel does with their blank covers.

I think blank sketch cards could be a hit, and you are right the ratio would need to be tweaked to not flood the market. Making them too scarce though would drive up the price of blanks and would cancel out the benefits I mentioned above of artists generating more AP level $ commissions (which would kill the idea outright I'd think).

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Maybe I'm underestimating them, but I wonder if most people busting Mars Attacks know that commissions, APs, etc. even are around? I can see them getting the blank card and being like...and then giving to a young relative or their kids to draw on like I did
I'm just thinking that Mars Attacks already has sketch cards, so how could they not know what the blank cards are? I mean, Mars Attacks collectors EXPECT a sketch card per box, I've heard. Therefore, they must be very familiar with them.

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Again ... good points!

I would like to point out Marvel still releases blank comic covers into the wild, and they would have the same "risk" of non-Marvel properties appearing on them. It doesn't appear to be a hurdle for their existence, so it wouldnt be a hurdle for sketch cards.

Someone mentioned in another thread that UD has to be stricter with it's AP approvals and lack of aftermarkets, but that is because they are a licensee of Marvels creations. Since Topps owns MA, they wouldnt face the same licensee hurdles, and could do similar arrangement as Marvel does with their blank covers.

I think blank sketch cards could be a hit, and you are right the ratio would need to be tweaked to not flood the market. Making them too scarce though would drive up the price of blanks and would cancel out the benefits I mentioned above of artists generating more AP level $ commissions (which would kill the idea outright I'd think).
I do agree that it is fundamentally the same as a sketch cover which is fully uncontrolled. I don't know the reason Marvel does that, but that the companies are so strict about what goes on the cards. The cards would have to be distinguished somehow, I'm sure, for legal purposes. If something Topps doesn't have the rights to gets on those cards, they need to be able to prove that the card is fundamentally 'fan art' and was not under their control, thus they are not legally responsible.

Personally, I still don't love the idea. Just contact Ted or Jason or Pepe or Roy or Jimenez or whoever and inquire if they have any blank APs available. That is why they get them as payment for the set. I doubt they want more blanks floating around, but that is for them to answer.
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Old 11-18-2013, 09:29 AM   #1724 (permalink)
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Did a price drop on this Invasion card Buy It Now; so give it another glance, if you have the time.

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Wondering when the REST will get here.

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Heh a Comic with a blank cover is still a comic. The variety of Blank covers means most will have the book and characters they want done on that specific comic.Very rare someone buys a marvel book and has batman drawn on it when batman blanks exist. A blanks sketch card for the contumors is no big deal. If I did cons and someone came to me to draw on one I'd do it but getting me to work on one of em at home? Fagetaboudit
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