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Old 09-09-2009, 08:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I know this is probably normal, but if this is a 45-minute speech, does that include the applause after every couple sentences? (That's not a political question, I'm pretty sure it's always happened).
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it includes the applause and the bs, if not, the speech would be about 5 minutes long
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Shut up and watch the EDIT speech.

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Really, really getting tired of all Obama, all the time....
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Shut up and watch the damn speech.
The part that makes me sad is people like you watch this speech and believe everything he says, you have no idea what it means, and that he said something different last time he spoke, and that he'll change what he just said the next time its convenient for him. And there is no accountability, he has to answer to nobody for at least three more years.
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The part that makes me sad is people like you watch this speech and believe everything he says, you have no idea what it means, and that he said something different last time he spoke, and that he'll change what he just said the next time its convenient for him. And there is no accountability, he has to answer to nobody for at least three more years.
I'm guessing Obama is gonna get some brownie points for admitting that John McCain's policy was good?
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I don't believe everything he says. Btw, did I say I listen to everything he says??? People like you critize Obama. He's working oftly hard to get you a better health care plan and life and all the shi& you can say is negative. You got congress also working hard. HE WALKED IN ON A Trillion dollar debt and you think 8 1/2 months, he gets everything fixed?!?! He's just trying to clean up 8 years of crap and wasting money from bush. So give the dude a break. I'm sure McCain, bush, Kerry, Edwards, anyone else that would be in the position, they would be struggling too. I don't follow EVERYTHING he says but at least I believe in our president. What is your response???
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I don't believe everything he says. Btw, did I say I listen to everything he says??? People like you critize Obama. He's working oftly hard to get you a better health care plan and life and all the shi& you can say is negative. You got congress also working hard. HE WALKED IN ON A Trillion dollar debt and you think 8 1/2 months, he gets everything fixed?!?! He's just trying to clean up 8 years of crap and wasting money from bush. So give the dude a break. I'm sure McCain, bush, Kerry, Edwards, anyone else that would be in the position, they would be struggling too. I don't follow EVERYTHING he says but at least I believe in our president. What is your response???
He's quadrupled the national debt in eight months. I like everything about President Obama except his politics and his friends... OK?
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Haha - right on there, Karamellie!
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He's quadrupled the national debt in eight months. I like everything about President Obama except his politics and his FRIENDS... OK?


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When Bush was sworn in on January 20, 2001, the national debt was $5,727,776,738,304.64.

When "W" left office on January 20, 2009, the national debt was $10,626,877,048,913.08.


For today's national debt check the debt clock

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A day before the President’s scheduled speech to Congress, Rudman and Kerrey warn that “Americans will suffer from any health care reform bill that expands coverage but fails to control costs.”

Controlling the cost of health care needs to be a major focus even if this bill is not passed.

I saw Newt Gingrinch make some good points on Meet the Press this past week but I've yet to see what the gang of 6 came up with late today.

Missed the speech too because, I was assisting in the health care of about 80 patients in a hospital
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I think getting a handle on what the gov. already controls could help fix this problem.

Social security could use some help, in costs and benies to reciepiants, and Medicare could as well, I think if we get these Items fixed first, we save a lot of capital and it shows Americans that the Gov can fix issues and get results.

and for a fyi the 2 of them eat up around 40 percent of the federal budget, not counting what we all give them each month for around 15 percent of the population, lets get this fixed before we burn more stuff up. Just a thought.
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When Bush was sworn in on January 20, 2001, the national debt was $5,727,776,738,304.64.

When "W" left office on January 20, 2009, the national debt was $10,626,877,048,913.08.

When I say quadrupled, it means the projected cost of his changes by 2019 (which is how the National debt is calculated) if he does nothing else between now and Jan 20, 2013, when Mitt Romney gets sworn in as President.

The fact that we have ANY national debt is an embarrassment, a threat to the union, and in my view and the view of the founding fathers unconstitutional.


I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and in our amusements. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people, under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.

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I 100% agree with you KMD... We've been in worse situations and pulled through.

Our GDP is still above our debt but boy it's getting to close for comfort IMO.

Basically the US has turned into a huge consumer and the thought process needs to change.

Also from what I've read the debt under this administration will increase 1.5 and 1.4 trillion over the next 2 years. LMK where to get some more info on the calculations you were talking about...Thanks
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I 100% agree with you KMD... We've been in worse situations and pulled through.s

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I don't believe everything he says. Btw, did I say I listen to everything he says??? People like you critize Obama. He's working oftly hard to get you a better health care plan and life and all the shi& you can say is negative. You got congress also working hard. HE WALKED IN ON A Trillion dollar debt and you think 8 1/2 months, he gets everything fixed?!?! He's just trying to clean up 8 years of crap and wasting money from bush. So give the dude a break. I'm sure McCain, bush, Kerry, Edwards, anyone else that would be in the position, they would be struggling too. I don't follow EVERYTHING he says but at least I believe in our president. What is your response???
i enjoy my healthcare plan and life, I just don't want him to f it up. His plan will definitely make my costs for healthcare go higher, i'm pretty sure when he's done with this healthcare agenda my taxes will be going higher as well. I don't care about what he walked in on, all he has is excuses and tries to jam down our throat how he saved the economy from the brink and saved jobs. You can't measure "saved" jobs. We don't know if he saved anything, but he'll certainly tell the American people he did. Create some jobs and then tell me about it. I don't hate obama, i hate that he's a puppet for liberal america. Wait until we see what's actually included in this bill and what's passed, my guess is it will be much different than what we heard last night.
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He's working oftly hard to get you a better health care plan and life and all the shi& you can say is negative. You got congress also working hard.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha

Stop, don't make me laugh so hard, did you ever see their work/vacation schedule and half of them barely ever vote or attend meetings.

Same with the Senate.

When Obama was asked at a previous speech if he and the senate would also be on the proposed national insurance policy, he skirted the issue by making a big joke the he is the president and he has doctors following him around all day, which is fine....but what about the senate and congress.

Why are politicians entitled to a lifetime of pension and benefits from every position they have held for the last 1 year or 30-40 years? And why are they allowed to hold more than one full time position at a time and collect pensions for several positions at a time???

This is what they should be looking at, we talk about health care reform, which is important and necessary (not "free" health care for 300 million people plus illegals), but we should really start with Government Reform starting with our local towns and going all the way up to Obama.

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I loved it when the Guy shouted out "Your a Liar" Blew me away that someone finally & publically stood up to Him. In prime time. LOL

I was in line at the post office the other day. Nice long line. And the Guy behind me said out loud. This is what the lines at the Hospitals are going to look like with a National Heath care program.

I am tired of talking about the same old thing. he's going to use up all the air time he wants. Because the t.v. stations are wrapped around his finger. He's going to kick & cry like a little spoiled brat. Till he gets what he wants. His popularity polls are dropping like a rock. he's bankrupting this Country. I could foresee him starting to give the Chinness parts of land in the U.S. for payment to the debt We owe them. So start brushing up on you mandarin.

I just hope he doesn't start having his town hall meetings cutting in during Football games. Then allot of people won't be pissed. They will be rioting.
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The understanding people have on this issue pitiful.

Republicans and Democrats both want to make changes folks, they are just not agreeing on certain aspects. This is what's railroading something from happening.

Japan's gov. health care system... no waiting times, you don't have to make appointment see specialist. Taiwan 2% administrative costs, US 22-26%.

We have fallen in health care worldwide, insurance companies are making profits hand over fist because THEY are denying coverage.

Hospital CEOs are more worried about patients turn around times in and out of a hospital then they are about mortality rates.

Something does need to change because health care is to costly in this country and unfair for some... I would love to see an America were everyone received health care and never went into debt because of it.

BTW... The lines at ERs are longer then any post office line I've ever been in. One reason, lot's of people without medical coverage don't have a doc and just go to the ER for their health care, sad but true.
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I'm sorry, but from what he said last night, I completely agree with him. I can't bite my tongue anymore.

He said nothing about requiring anyone to get this health insurance. He is proposing this as an option to those people who do not have health insurance, or those who have crappy health insurance. In my case, I have crappy health insurance. My company is based out of Illinois, I work and live in NY. I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Illinois. It is also a PHP. So what this means is that everytime I see a doctor, it is considered out of network because I am not seeing a doctor in Illinois. Second, because I do not live in Illinois and it is a PHP, I have to pay a $1000 deductible before my health care plan covers ANYTHING. No it's almost a waste of $40-60 per month because I rarely go to the doctor, but I have to get it because what happens if I am in a car accident? I certainly can't afford the bills on my own. Couple that with a kid on the way....my hands are tied.

It will also create competition between health care companies, the very basis and core of capitalism. It might cost us something now, but in turn might drive down already too high health care costs.

In 2004 I was one of those people that thought GWB was going to turn our country into a fascist state. It isn't even close to that right now. Nor will this country be anything like the Soviet Union when Obama is done. People tend to over react, myself included.
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I understand your concern Flo. But picture this. My Sister is a Nurse. And with the Health care plan. It will regulate Doctors & Nurses pay. Doctors & Nurses that have spent years in School & trainning for thier practice will now be paid the same as those just getting into the field (alot less money also). My Sister was a big obamer supporter untill now. She has talked with and has heard Doctors say. That if this goes through. Alot of Doctors will be retiring or going into private practice. Meaning cash only medical service. And thats just not here. It would be all around the Country. Of course everyone would have free health care. But who is going to treat you. The government will push kids thru college to get them out into the public. I don't know about you. But I don't want some kid with no general experiance trying to determine what is wrong with me. And with the way the education system is today. They would most likely end up killing you with a miss diognosis. Plus I don't think you will be able to sue the government for malpractice by a government controled Doctor?

It's all a big mess. But why add to it more mess. And a mass shortage of health providers (Doc's & RN's). They should come up with a law that allows insurance to be used in any state without additional costs or out of pocket expences. I heard something about that being talked about..

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I'm sorry, but from what he said last night, I completely agree with him. I can't bite my tongue anymore.

He said nothing about requiring anyone to get this health insurance. He is proposing this as an option to those people who do not have health insurance, or those who have crappy health insurance. WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT???

It will also create competition between health care companies, the very basis and core of capitalism. It might cost us something now, but in turn might drive down already too high health care costs. SO SOCIALISM NOW STIMULATES CAPITALISM, that is a new one!

In 2004 I was one of those people that thought GWB was going to turn our country into a fascist state. THIS SPEAKS VOLUMES OF YOUR POLITICAL POSITION. It isn't even close to that right now.

Nor will this country be anything like the Soviet Union when Obama is done. NO, IT WILL PROBABLY BE WORSE.
I hope you are right and I am wrong.

If they allow each individual to shop for insurance nationwide instead of just shop within their state, that will promote competition and reduce rates, plus it will eliminate alot of kickbacks or "polical donations" from these insurance companies.
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I hope you are right and I am wrong.
In 2004 I was a bit more radical. I am not that way anymore. I flew off the handle about a lot of things that I was way wrong about it. I have no problem admitting that.

That being said, if McCain would have picked anyone other than Palin, I probably would have voted for him.

But aren't these responses from the right wing members of this board speaking volumes of your political views. I will make no bones about it, I am about as left wing as they come. I'm not here to get into a huge political debate, but I support this. GWB, while I differ politcally, did somethings that I applauded as well. I would like to think that my judgment is not clouded by my leftist ideologies.
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NO, IT WILL PROBABLY BE WORSE.
Stop over-reacting. This country is a long way off from that status. Prove to me that it is close.


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Socialism would require everyone to get this health care. It is simply not the case, you have a choice.
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