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Old 10-28-2012, 11:15 PM   #26 (permalink)
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30 years from now we're going to find out that everything causes cancer and we're all f-d.

In the mean time, my guilty pleasure is Nacho Flavoured Slim Jims and 44 ounce Coke slurpees.
Cancer = natural causes (as labeled throughout history)

Honestly, the pesticides used today are only a fraction of the strength used 100 years ago. I know several of the Monsanto conspiracy theorists. They all need counseling.

'Organic' is the most wasteful method currently used. The largest agricultural propaganda in my lifetime.
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Guilty pleasure was a local farm that made their own beef jerky. I could easily go through a bag 400 grams within a weekend. Sodium content would eventually kill me so I gave it up cold turkey!! lol. Havent had any since 2003
I make my own jerkies and they don't last long. Dried out four pounds of beef on Friday/Saturday and I've just about eaten it all.

I don't think I can mail meat to Canada, can I?
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Atomic buffalo turds. Cut a jalapeno in half lengthwise and cut out the ribs and seeds. Fill the jalapeno boat with cream cheese. Wrap with bacon and place on smoker for about 1.5 hours at 250 degrees.

That Code Red Mountain Dew is pretty tasty stuff as well.
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I know these are a lot of questions but I really am just curious. Trying to figure out where I should draw my own 'line' so to say.


Sorry for derailing this, Josie!
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Cancer = natural causes (as labeled throughout history)

Honestly, the pesticides used today are only a fraction of the strength used 100 years ago. I know several of the Monsanto conspiracy theorists. They all need counseling.

'Organic' is the most wasteful method currently used. The largest agricultural propaganda in my lifetime.

Pesticide Use Proliferating With GMO Crops, Study Warns

How Many Cancers Are Caused by the Environment?: Scientific American
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I make my own jerkies and they don't last long. Dried out four pounds of beef on Friday/Saturday and I've just about eaten it all.

I don't think I can mail meat to Canada, can I?
You probably can. But Its better if you dont. You might lead me to open the flood gates and get back on the jerky wagon!! lol
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I still believe Cancer is a genetic thing when it comes to percentage of having cancer in your life. To date there has been 0 history of cancer within my family line. Do some of the things we do or eat increase our risk? For sure, but I doubt they directly link someone to getting cancer based on one attribute.

I think High Fructose Corn Syrup is the "Heroin" of current times. Probably the most dangerous part of our diet.
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Mountain Dew. usually about a liter a day.

I need to stop because I know all the sugar isnt good for me.

Working on getting down to a 20oz a day for now but I think I'm going to stop completely on my next birthday...gives me almost 2 months to prepare.
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I think High Fructose Corn Syrup is the "Heroin" of current times. Probably the most dangerous part of our diet.

Many doctors now believe that sodium is worse than fat, cholesterol, etc. I'm guilty.
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I only drink Mt. Dew when I'm on a road trip. Since I almost never drink any caffeine, the Dew works really well and keeps me going.

My guilty pleasure is Taco Bell. Hit it a few times a year and when I go I'm in $20-30 easily. Which is a lot of Bell.

(Well, I asume we're talking food only here. Because my biggest guilty pleasures are Blowout Cards and the LCS.)
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Many doctors now believe that sodium is worse than fat, cholesterol, etc. I'm guilty.
I had a chat with a few specialist about this at a med conf that took place in 2010 in OC as I was in the same hotel for a wedding.

They talked about some very general things that started making sense to me. Diagnosis done by your typical GP are textbook formed with experience. The straight guide of a textbook pretty much evaluates your typical causasian male who lives in a 4 season country and has a meat & potatoe diet. Works great....if you fit that bill. But with immigration and change of dietary habits and new generations growing up new places, everything changes. What was once used to cure symptoms of a meat and potato person doesnt work on curing the same symptons of an immigrant that has never been a "meat and potato" person.

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2 males both 40 yrs old. 1 is caucasian (Typical NA) and the other East Asian (typically east indian) Issues include
High BP
Overweight
Cholesterol
Boderline A1c as pre diabetic.

The GP would recommend reducing Sodium intake, cutting red meat/fatty foods and adding more cardiovascular excercise to the regiment. Obviously to cut down intake of carbs and sugar to balance the glucose levels.

This doctor basically was suggesting....

How does the East indian male cut meat from his diet when he is already mostly vegetarian. What will this really do?

How does the East indian male add more cardio to his regiment when his generation and past genetics are built solely on cardio as they have grown up with no cars and walked most of their lives.. Great idea for the typical Caucasian man as he truly needs the cardio portion of working as he matiain an good balance of weight training through his labor job. The East indian male does not need Cardio, he needs weight training as this is what lacks from his gentic disposition through history.

Cutting Sodium in common Island (Black), immigrat east asian has a great impact on BP. Not the same effect on a caucasian male.

Anyways, it was pretty cool to see how docs are brainstorming on how to properly determine medicine based on your disposition of genetics/history/geo location/time instead of basing it on a male/height/weight/symptom.
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Pepsi, I drink at least 20 oz. every day, sometimes more

Also Tim Horton's Hot Chocolate
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Pepsi, I drink at least 20 oz. every day, sometimes more

Also Tim Horton's Hot Chocolate
Timmys Half Coffee/Half hot chocolate. Great combo!!
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Out of pure curiosity how do you determine what to buy and what not to buy?
The wife and I don't obsess over this stuff like some people who stress themselves deciding what's for dinner. That being said, we definitely are conscious of where we buy food, and looking at labels and making the best decisions we can.
We are not wealthy but paying a bit more for better food is worth it.

So, basically, since we don't own our own farm and are not living in a country where corporations cannot force copyrighted seeds and stronger pesticides on farmers, we look at the ethics of the grocery store. Basically, if you are buying food at Wal-Mart, you are trusting them to take care of the chemicals that go into it. That's a joke. They were the first to switch their seafood to Chinese farms, and a few years ago were pushing to switch their fruits and vegetables to Chinese suppliers. Of course, that means, no more regulations of any kind on what pesticides go into that stuff. Well... regulations based on trust.

Wal-Mart is at the bottom of the ethics ladder, caring ONLY for every fraction of the penny at the expense of everything else. On the opposite end, is Whole Foods. If you can, try to catch Supermarkets Inc. from CNBC:
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What you will see there is, yes, WF does stock standard products from mega-food corporations, but for much of their product, they seek out better practices all the way from the farming and harvesting, to the production lines, to delivery time. Meat and fish have strict guidelines that they, Whole Foods, monitor, and this gets back to ethics of the company.

Specifically to your questions:
Meat, yes we look for 'grassfed' beef, no steroids, no etc... , and again, we trust the label based on the store we buy it in. At Wal-Mart, 'grass-fed' might be the name of a Chinese pesticide. We don't know. If a corporate lawyer has approved it, how are we going to know any different? At Target, 'grass-fed' is probably better.

Lactose, we are not supposed to drink milk as adults. If we were, women would breastfeed us until the day we die (is that such a bad thing?). Many people are lactose intolerant and don't know it. I don't drink milk. I do enjoy condensed milk but like a teaspoon in tea (sometimes). I've had soy milk with cereal but it just doesn't taste good to me. Cow milk is delicious but what it does to me is not. At the moment I have lactose free milk with my morning cereal but I'm not certain I wan't to stick with it.

Protein, the wife is Chinese. I say that as a way of explanation that we cannot NOT eat delicious animals! Personally, I have never been a fan of seafood so that doesn't come up, but she does like it. Early on, we noticed Wal-Mart started getting their frozen seafood from Chinese farms. Yah, not good. Over-crowded fish farms = diseased animals = need more antibiotics in the feed. And we are supposed to trust that Wal-Mart cares for the safety of the product. The wife and I look for American fish but anymore, I am not sure they are any safer. Do we trust the FDA or the USDA?

Gluten is a recent thing for me. I do look for rice crackers, things not made of wheat but I also like whole wheat bread, eat burgers etc. without fuss. If I can find an alternative when I'm at the store for the craving I have right then, I'll pick it up. If not, whatever. A quick scan of the label to make sure it doesn't have 12 chemicals. In the cart.

As I have said, we are not nuts about this, but we don't ignore it. You can't chug 3 sodas a day and expect nothing to happen to your body from all those chemicals. You also can't eat heavily processed foods with tons of chemicals on the label and trust that it's not going to cause you suffering and/or death down the line. It's easy (but more time-consuming and probably expensive), to re-prioritize. Cut some premium channels on your cable bill and spend that money buying from Target instead of Wal-Mart, Whole Foods instead of Target, etc.

Last note: I love ice-cream. Years ago, I noticed my favorite brands went from "milk, sugar, and vanilla" or "milk, sugar, and strawberries" to + 4 or 6 chemicals + high fructose corn syrup. Done. I won't buy it. Whole Food has several brands of ice-cream, and the one we buy (can't think of the brand right now ) has in it, milk, sugar, cocoa, etc. You get the point. It has REAL ingredients. What a concept!

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I know several of the Monsanto conspiracy theorists. They all need counseling.
This is the funniest thing I've heard all week... and accurate.
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This is the funniest thing I've heard all week... and accurate.
Yeah, Monsanto are a bunch of angels. They can't possibly be evil in any way.

Monsanto's Harvest of Fear | Vanity Fair

Additionally, if you use seeds from crops grown from Monsanto seeds, a process known as "seed cleaning," you also have to pay royalties to Monsanto or it will sue you. All told, Monsanto has recovered $15 million in royalties by suing farmers, with individual settlements ranging from five figures to millions of dollars each.

Back in 2004, farmer Kem Ralph served eight months in jail and was fined $1.3 million for lying about Monsanto cotton seeds he was hiding in his barn as a favor to a friend. They weren't even his seeds (yeah, that's what they all say!). By way of comparison, the fine in Ralph's home state of Tennessee for, say, cocaine possession, is $2,500.

In keeping with the Orwellian nature of modern marketing, one of the first phrases you see on the front page of the Monsanto website is "we help farmers." Funny. In a cruelly ironical way, that is.

In fairness, the argument in support of Monsanto is generally "it makes more food for lower prices." Of course this is a red herring. Basic economics proves that choice and competition create lower prices. Not monopolies. This applies not only to American grocery stores, but also in terms of feeding developing nations where food is scarcer. Moreover, stronger Monsanto herbicides, compatible with herbicide resistant seeds, are giving rise to mutant Wolverine-ish super weeds that have adapted and are rapidly spreading through the air to farms that don't use Monsanto GMOs, destroying obviously vulnerable crops. Say nothing of the inevitable mutant bugs that will adapt to the pesticides that are implanted into the Monsanto Mon 810 genetic code. And if further studies indicate similar organ damage in humans, the externalized costs to health care systems will begin to seriously out-weigh the benefits of cheaper food.
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You Monsanto defenders realize the current legislation revolves around stronger pesticide resistant produce right? Ask yourselves why Monsanto needs to make vegetables resistant to really REALLY bad pesticides like Roundup.

Answer: Because 'normal' produce would be killed by those poisons. Monsanto makes new foods that are resistant so farmers can USE those poisons.
Where do those poisons then go? Do they vanish into the ether? No, they go in your gut.
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You Monsanto defenders realize the current legislation revolves around stronger pesticide resistant produce right? Ask yourselves why Monsanto needs to make vegetables resistant to really REALLY bad pesticides like Roundup.

Answer: Because 'normal' produce would be killed by those poisons. Monsanto makes new foods that are resistant so farmers can USE those poisons.
Where do those poisons then go? Do they vanish into the ether? No, they go in your gut.
You realize that Roundup can be injested with zero adverse effects for most humans. You can literally drink it. They won't place that on the bottle for obvious liability reasons.

My family farmed sweet potatoes commercially from the 1860s through the early 2000s. I know a little and I know plenty about the conspiracies.
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Out of pure curiosity how do you determine what to buy and what not to buy? Produce labeled 'organic'? Do you place higher value on local over organic or the other way around?

Dairy - what kind of yogurt do you buy? Stirred, Greek strained, goat's milk yogurt? Non-fat, full-fat? Raw (unpasturized might be the other term? Milk? Soy milk? Rice milk? Almond milk?

Protein - do you eat soy? Grass-fed beef? Free range chickens? Non farmed fish? What about eggs?

Do you avoid wheat? Gluten?

I know these are a lot of questions but I really am just curious. Trying to figure out where I should draw my own 'line' so to say.


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The wife and I don't obsess over this stuff like some people who stress themselves deciding what's for dinner. That being said, we definitely are conscious of where we buy food, and looking at labels and making the best decisions we can.
We are not wealthy but paying a bit more for better food is worth it.
Interesting perspective, Nicnac! (...your whole post, not just the excerpted part; your post is abridged so I do not break my own record for excessively long posts! ) In general, I approach this in a similar way in the sense that I do not really stress out about it. I try to keep up on issues related to industrialized food production (i.e. use of genetic modification and pesticides/herbicides on crops, treatment of animals, changing food safety regulations, etc.) but all this can get overwhelming and, to be honest, it’s all a bit depressing! That said, I read what I can, pay attention to the nutrition facts and ingredient lists on product packages, and try to make the most informed decision I can.

Labels. Personally, I do not caught up with all the labels like “organic,” “grass-fed,” “all natural,” etc. I cannot afford to buy all organic, etc. and cannot afford to shop exclusively at Whole Foods or the like. As a general rule though, I buy whole foods (note the change in capitalization ) and try to make most things from scratch. It’s not so much an issue of fearing what is in processed/convenience foods but I just never much liked them. To my mind, it seems better to purchase whole foods that are not organic, etc. than heavily processed foods that are organic. So labels really do not carry a lot of weight with me, especially since, at least in America, many of those terms are somewhat nebulous.

Dairy. I am lactose-sensitive so I have to severely limit my intake of most dairy products. I purchase fortified soymilk (I know many do not like the taste but I have never been bothered by it) and enriched almond milk. These products are great for reaching recommended calcium intakes and are fairly versatile.

Meat & Protein. In terms of protein, I eat a lot of legumes, soy products (i.e. tofu, tempeh), nuts, and nut butters. I am not vegetarian but I do not eat much meat. This is partly to do with the fact that my partner is Palestinian so we cook a lot of Middle Eastern dishes (where legumes, whole grains, and vegetables are often emphasized in lieu of meat). The other issue is economical. I find meat, in general, to be a bit expensive. (Also, my partner is a practicing Muslim and halal meat can be quite pricey.)

I am aware of the environmental and ethical implications of meat production and the associated global food security issues but these large, unwieldy problems do not come too much into play in my daily decision-making process. So minimizing my personal contribution to these problems is more of a positive externality than the driving force behind my decisions.

Wheat & Gluten. I find grains to be great sources of essential vitamins and minerals. I use quinoa, bulgur, brown rice, etc. quite often. Also, I absolutely love fresh pasta. I do not eat it as often as I would like because I like to make both the pasta and sauce from scratch (which can be time-consuming and labor-intensive). In America, it is common practice for a big plate of pasta to be served as a kind of main course. I prefer it as a side dish or as its own small course.

General Thoughts. I agree with Nicnac in that I think it is worth it to pay a bit more for better quality food. Obviously, “better quality food” is highly subjective. Americans spend about 5.5% of their disposable income on food they cook at home. I budget between 11% and 13% of disposable income, and with that, I try to buy the “best quality” food possible (which for me includes whole foods, fresh produce, etc.).

I tend to favor more “traditional” dishes as opposed to “heath store” fare or whatever the latest diet trend happens to be at the moment. (There is something uniquely satisfying about, say, preparing fassoulia the way it has been made for generations!) It just so happens that a lot of Middle Eastern—and more generally, Mediterranean-influenced dishes—tend to focus on legumes, whole grains, and vegetables. This also happens to be the food I love eating the most, so I am really fortunate in this regard.
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