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View Poll Results: Legalize Marijuana?
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Measure 80 is coming up here in Oregon and i was wondering no Political discussion but yes or no should marijuana be legalized with these stipulations:

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Very interesting thread. I'm keeping tabs on this!
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If alcohol is legal, why shouldn't Marijuana.

I don't even smoke it. Just my opinion.
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Yes. My only problem with it, is that there needs to be a quick development of a testing method for drivers (I'm not aware of one at this moment, please enlighten me if you have heard of one in the works)
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Yes. My only problem with it, is that there needs to be a quick development of a testing method for drivers (I'm not aware of one at this moment, please enlighten me if you have heard of one in the works)
I am not a smoker but this is the other side of it.. From what I have heard the amount they want to bust you with a DUI for is so low you could smoke and 24 hours later still be over the limit.

Just sounds like a way for cops to make more money off DUI's like they do now when they pull people over for BS reasons.
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I could go into a billion reasons why weed should be legal (and i don't smoke it)...but here's the most glaring..

In the United States we have more people in prison than most of the world nations have in total population. 30-40% of those incarcerated are drug related. Of that.. I believe more than half are Marijuana related. Well more than 1 million people are in jail due to marijuana in some form of fashion.
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I am not a smoker but this is the other side of it.. From what I have heard the amount they want to bust you with a DUI for is so low you could smoke and 24 hours later still be over the limit.

Just sounds like a way for cops to make more money off DUI's like they do now when they pull people over for BS reasons.
Absolutely. If that's the case, it's not going to help too much regardless. I have not smoked in quite awhile as I simply do not enjoy it. However, I think there are plenty of reasons to legalize weed, and ESPECIALLY the fact that it would create an instant job market. Remember, we do have a problem with job creation in the U.S. It would also simultaneously reduce government spending and create tax revenue. Win / Win. What are are the "good" reasons for not legalizing it?

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I could go into a billion reasons why weed should be legal (and i don't smoke it)...but here's the most glaring..

In the United States we have more people in prison than most of the world nations have in total population. 30-40% of those incarcerated are drug related. Of that.. I believe more than half are Marijuana related. Well more than 1 million people are in jail due to marijuana in some form of fashion.

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I could go into a billion reasons why weed should be legal (and i don't smoke it)...but here's the most glaring..

In the United States we have more people in prison than most of the world nations have in total population. 30-40% of those incarcerated are drug related. Of that.. I believe more than half are Marijuana related. Well more than 1 million people are in jail due to marijuana in some form of fashion.
This is what sticks with me.

Again, I don't endorse it and would never smoke it but as long as those who do use are not causing violent crimes as a result what's the problem?
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Small history lesson why weed is illegal...

in the early 20th century a man named William Randolph Hurst had such a newspaper monopoly that more than half the nation got their news from him...

WRH Also had a profitable timber company.. and on his timber farms he had a major issue with Mexicans invading the land and growing... you guessed it.. weed. WRH launched a huge anti Marijuana campaign in his papers, and turned the nations opinion against it. After the movie "refer madness" came out.. it was done. Almost all narcotics were made illegal on the federal level and the ban has lasted to this day. So yes.. marijuana is criminal today mainly because one man didn't like Mexicans growing it on his farms.

Technically though.. weed isn't even illegal. To own it you must get a stamp credit from the Federal Government... however under federal law.. having that stamp is a federal crime. (couldn't make that up if I tried lol)
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I am not a smoker but this is the other side of it.. From what I have heard the amount they want to bust you with a DUI for is so low you could smoke and 24 hours later still be over the limit.

Just sounds like a way for cops to make more money off DUI's like they do now when they pull people over for BS reasons.
Cops do not make money off tickets, lets say there is a $100.00 ticket (to make it easy) first $65.00 of it automatically goes to DOT then another $20.00 goes to the courts (specifically traffic courts) then another $15.00 goes to the city. Furthermore if you fight a ticket in court the officer automatically gets overtime pay so in fact police departments lose money on tickets. Tickets are meant to teach people a lesson, most officers do not even like writing tickets. If you get pulled over once for driving 78 in a 70 zone you should get a warning now if you get pulled over 5 days in a row for the same violation you will probaly get a ticket to teach you not to speed.
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Cops do not make money off tickets, lets say there is a $100.00 ticket (to make it easy) first $65.00 of it automatically goes to DOT then another $20.00 goes to the courts (specifically traffic courts) then another $15.00 goes to the city. Furthermore if you fight a ticket in court the officer automatically gets overtime pay so in fact police departments lose money on tickets. Tickets are meant to teach people a lesson, most officers do not even like writing tickets. If you get pulled over once for driving 78 in a 70 zone you should get a warning now if you get pulled over 5 days in a row for the same violation you will probaly get a ticket to teach you not to speed.
I got pulled over going 85mph on a 65mph zone lol
I did traffic school and paid the ticket, and have learned my lesson since. I'm in college, so paying a ticket really killed me but whatever. I seriously just put my car on CC on 70mph now. My traffic school teacher was a ex-cop and he said told us the same thing, that cops don't make money out of it.
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I fully endorse legalizing it, not only does it help our economy and government in many ways. It also HEAVILY weakens the cartels and multiple levels of other violent criminal organizations. Also leading the way to potentially one day developing a profitable export once legalization is more widespread.
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All drugs should be legalized. The same people will do them whether legal or not. The money saved from housing addicts in prison, could be spent on rehabilitation.
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I got pulled over going 85mph on a 65mph zone lol
I did traffic school and paid the ticket, and have learned my lesson since. I'm in college, so paying a ticket really killed me but whatever. I seriously just put my car on CC on 70mph now. My traffic school teacher was a ex-cop and he said told us the same thing, that cops don't make money out of it.
Be happy that is what you got, where I live that could be considered "wreckless driving" which is an arrestable offense. (I have never seen a case where a person has been taken into custody for it though).
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I said yes. Don't smoke the stuff anymore. I dabbled with it back in the day recreationally. I would smoke with a couple of my buddies who were hard core everyday smokers. I never once witnessed any of them committ a crime for weed. They got high, sat on the couch, ate everything in sight, and laughed at cartoons.
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Have never smoked it, and don't want to. But legalization is fine with me.

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I fully endorse legalizing it, not only does it help our economy and government in many ways. It also HEAVILY weakens the cartels and multiple levels of other violent criminal organizations. Also leading the way to potentially one day developing a profitable export once legalization is more widespread.
Maybe for a time, but cartels and other drug organizations will always adapt. Marijuana may be an easy, profitable product line now, but meth especially is coming on strong.

Mexico also has a boatload of naturally growing marijuana/cannabis, so the potential for profitability in export in the future may not be viable in a sense.
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In my opinion, marijuana should not be legalized. There are tons of violent crimes that occur over it. I understand that some people are for it being legalized but I wonder how many of those people have had to personally deal with the problems that it causes.

I respect everyones opinion so please don't bash me for mine.
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I like how the title says "yes or no" but you put up a third option, ballsy move
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Small history lesson why weed is illegal...

in the early 20th century a man named William Randolph Hurst had such a newspaper monopoly that more than half the nation got their news from him...

WRH Also had a profitable timber company.. and on his timber farms he had a major issue with Mexicans invading the land and growing... you guessed it.. weed. WRH launched a huge anti Marijuana campaign in his papers, and turned the nations opinion against it. After the movie "refer madness" came out.. it was done. Almost all narcotics were made illegal on the federal level and the ban has lasted to this day. So yes.. marijuana is criminal today mainly because one man didn't like Mexicans growing it on his farms.

Technically though.. weed isn't even illegal. To own it you must get a stamp credit from the Federal Government... however under federal law.. having that stamp is a federal crime. (couldn't make that up if I tried lol)
Good thing those Mexicans weren't growing potatoes, because then we'd have to buy our fries in a back alley.
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There is no simple yes or no.

In Mass they are trying to legalize "medical" marijuana.

The bleedinh hearts will tell you this is for cancer, chronic pain and glaucoma patients. But those people will be in the minority.

Hell in California you are in the minority if you DON'T have a license for it.

So the cost burden will no go from the state prison system to the state welfare system and insurance system.

Legalize it but don't cover it for insurance/welfare people unless under the most strict cases.
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At this point I'm all for legalizing it.

Everyone that wants to use it is already using it anyway, just under the backdrop of it being "illegal". So, by legalizing it we aren't going to have this major explosion of potheads and our country won't crumble...all in all I don't see much risk.

Legalize it, sell it, tax it, create tax revenue, help the economy.

Sounds fine to me.
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Absolutely. The crimes related to pot are all dealer related . Once you set up open laws and regs for dealing, poof, crime decreases significantly (notice I didn't say completely). Tax it heavily and instead of a negative line item on the budget (the war on drugs), you create a positive line item/revenue. This, from a guy who's never used cannabis before...
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I mean, people do it anyways. Whether its legal or not, people will still use marijuana.

In california, the cops dont even seem to care. People do it in public all the time.
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