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Old 12-11-2012, 09:18 PM   #26 (permalink)
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We are an Apple family - Ipad, Ipods, Iphone...But we have a Dell computer and we absolutely love it. Never had a single problem out of it so automatically saying that Dell computers are "garbage" is not accurate. Just my experience, I'm sure some people have had problems with a Dell PC just as some people have had problems with BMWs.
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From what you said, do you honestly believe branding has nothing to do with reputation? Think about that for a second....

And on the other end, branding has absolutely nothing to do with "quality" in of itself. Simple concept, really.

I also outlined that Apple doesn't subscribe to the "newest and best" approach that the PC market does that drives constant releases. They have more control since they're not subject to the multitude of configurations on the PC market. Why would they constantly release a new product as such?
Reputation is supported by branding. And quality has more to do with reputation and branding. This is the reason why people support a brand and a product. They buy it, like the user experience and then when its time to renew that purchase they keep in mind their satisfaction or discontent from their previous product. No one is saying PC laptops stink. It seem like people are trying to say that apple puts out garbage and people buy it. I still am waiting for one person to show me a garbage apple product?? and compare it to a similar PC product with the same specs and check out the difference in price. Its much closer than you think.

Newest and best doesnt work in the tech world. By the time you finally make that purchase, something new and better has already been marketed and is being sold. PCs are put on sale by the dozens with no concern for the end user. Its all about selling 1 and moving to the next. The same goes for its support. Hence why PCs are always cheaper by the week. If they happen to put out a quality product that doesnt need upgrading weekly that argument would stand a chance.

I know most people dont want to hear this, but sales figures are a good indication of a quality product. Users who update are a good indicator on how engaged the same users are. If the apple product was garbage or inferior to another product, dont you think sales would slag? Its just nonsense to think people spend money blindly with no concern for what they buy and why they buy it.

Im not telling people they should buy a Mac. If someone asks for an opinion, I can give one and so can a PC supporter. The difference here is those who denounce apple are doing it to discredit the product vs those who choose freely. Everyone has a choice. Why mock them for making that lifestyle choice? What you do with your money has no effect on me. So why should choosing a product that I feel better suits me affect you?

I value what little time I have for leisure. That little time I have, I like to enjoy it via quality. My experience happens to be better on an apple platform. It really comes down to choice.

I asked earlier why people buy Topps chrome when Topps is available for a cheaper price? I wonder if anyone will answer?
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There is no "best" reason to spend the money unless following the current lemming trend is enough.
A lot of examples here are absolutely stupid when comparing apple to PC....hundai and BMW.....Compare my Lenovo to your Apple

Lenovo Ideapad Y580 is a beast.I posted a few weeks back and ended up buying one for the wife . It is not a trendy machine nor is it a fanboi's machine.
If you get a macbook, I am sure he will be happy....I mean, it's free and it is very trendy to own one.
The odds of him bringing a book to it's knee's are very slim...so go with what ever you feel works on the most levels...
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I asked earlier why people buy Topps chrome when Topps is available for a cheaper price? I wonder if anyone will answer?
That's a good question, and I've wondered the same before. It could simply come down to aesthetics. Some collectors just love the shininess of the product. It could also be a numbers game since Chrome has fewer cards in its base set than that of regular ol' Topps, which makes it a somewhat easier set to complete.
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They key was choice. That brands, style and our preference play a bigger role in our choices than we like to believe.

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They key was choice. That brands, style and our preference play a bigger role in our choices than we like to believe.

Spend your money the way you want. You earned it!!
This is true. At the same time, you should try to spend it wisely
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This is true. At the same time, you should try to spend it wisely
Wise is like an opinion!!

I can blow $$ at a casino and i would personally get more enjoyment from it then buying a box of cards!! The reverse could be said for someone else. Which one is wiser? and who determines what is?
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Here is a short answer: Its not! I own both and IMO they are not worth the higher price tag. I would never buy another Mac.
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Newest and best doesnt work in the tech world. By the time you finally make that purchase, something new and better has already been marketed and is being sold. PCs are put on sale by the dozens with no concern for the end user. Its all about selling 1 and moving to the next. The same goes for its support. Hence why PCs are always cheaper by the week. If they happen to put out a quality product that doesnt need upgrading weekly that argument would stand a chance.

I asked earlier why people buy Topps chrome when Topps is available for a cheaper price? I wonder if anyone will answer?
In lieu of your tangential response on branding, the 'newest and best' speaks to the disconnect in release between certain components. PC companies experience this as a competitive pressure due to new parts always coming out. Take Intel. They release processors before chip sets, so there is a disparity that drives constant releases of new models. This disparity means some computers may not perform reliably since the whole kit is not 'complete' so to speak.

As for Chrome, there is something to be said about costs and materials. I'd venture to say that, unlike virtually identical components for computers, there are different materials involved in regular Topps versus the chroming process of Chrome. Couldn't say what the latter costs, but Chrome has a value-add from the materials/processes themselves as such. I wouldn't particularly say the same for Apple in comparison to PCs.
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Used a Mac for about 6 years, until my little brother attempted to carry it from overtop of his head and break the thing, so got a new hp laptop. Did the same thing on both (photoshop, video editing and such). Not once did i have a problem with the Mac, found it easier to use with my photoshopping and video editing. Never had problems withthe Mac freezing or anything. My hp froze on me all of the time and such, and would overheat terribly, and has just recently broke (piece of absolute crap). I will never purchase another laptop/desktop other than one from apple.

I also feel it is easier to use if you have a iphone/ipad with the devices and such.
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Compare the newest macbook pro to the newest pc laptop and tell me if it lags technology?

While branding plays a role in consumer decisions, so does reliability and reputation. Maybe consumers choose apple and stick with apple because the consistently put out a solid product and back it with support.

Unlike HP and Dell, they dont put out 4 new versions of a laptop every year claiming to have something better in them whether the end user needs it or not!! That logo/branding is a staple of quality moreso than a lemming following. Another role that plays a factor is how a generic PC laptop gets discounted in the first few months of release vs and consistent non sale price of an apple product.

Some may believe that as a blind following, but others see that as support for a quality product that tends to sell without having to discount it to increase sales.
I was reading the thread debating on what I wanted to type and you summed it up for me. I tried explaining something similar to a guy at my work with regards to phones. Claiming all apple users are blind blah blah blah.

For me and my family, we used PCs all but the last 4 years and owning a macbook is far and away a better experience, more reliable, better customer support (we have had HPs and Dells) and our macs just don't seem to skip a beat with the same use as the PCs.

We aren't computer savy but feel we found the better product and for normal use along with my school work we couldn't be happier to have spent more money on what we believe to be a better product.
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In lieu of your tangential response on branding, the 'newest and best' speaks to the disconnect in release between certain components. PC companies experience this as a competitive pressure due to new parts always coming out. Take Intel. They release processors before chip sets, so there is a disparity that drives constant releases of new models. This disparity means some computers may not perform reliably since the whole kit is not 'complete' so to speak.

As for Chrome, there is something to be said about costs and materials. I'd venture to say that, unlike virtually identical components for computers, there are different materials involved in regular Topps versus the chroming process of Chrome. Couldn't say what the latter costs, but Chrome has a value-add from the materials/processes themselves as such. I wouldn't particularly say the same for Apple in comparison to PCs.
Really, are you telling me MBP dont have better and more expensive design? You dont think an aluminum uni body design is not more expensive than a plastic laptop? You dont think there isnt any R&D put into what apple does? THats why PC companies always try and mimic what apple does?

Dell put out this ultra book or the vostro, it looks identical to a MBP. Why?

At the end of the day the choice is yours. THere is no such thing as a bad choice. In fact there is, the bad choice is when you buy a product that you didnt want all because someone told you otherwise. The only real choice is the one you make that makes you happy.
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I will repeat myself for emphasis: just try one. Go to an Apple Store or Best Buy and play around with it. I had many preconceptions about Apple after pretty much using PCs exclusively my entire life (except for a brief stint in college when the Apple lab was always less crowded than the PC lab and I use mid-90s Macs) that I found were just not true or no longer true.

A lot of the Apple hate is as irrational as the Apple love. Just try it and see if you like it. I got a cheap used Macbook and really enjoy using it, but really it's about personal preference unless you're doing some really leading-edge type work.
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Yes I know they make Photoshop and Illustrator for Windows, I have Photoshop. I've used the same programs on both PC and Apple, they seem to perform better on an Apple product. I'm not sure why. But I'm pretty sure there is a reason my imaging and graphic design classes have always used Macs.

It makes perfect sense. If you give an average person a PC and a Mac, have them use it for their daily uses, the Mac will last longer without regular maintenance. People who know PCs well and are good with maintenance will make a PC last just as long as a Mac will.
Your classes used Macs because they offer educational discounts to academic institutions. Another bit of marketing on their part. Same reason why almost all the computers in my school were apple's and why the laptop program here in Maine uses Apple products. They make so much money that they can afford to offer lower prices in an attempt to get students to use their product in hopes that they will continue to do so in the future.

I've used Photoshop on similarly spec'd Macs and PC's and it performs pretty much the same. I suspect your PC use was on older systems with inferior specifications.

As for the longevity, I disagree. I get as many calls from my friends with Macs as I do from my friends with PC's...there may be a difference in the technical ability of some of them but all of the Mac group are younger while half of the PC group are older and have zero technical ability. The difference between the two is that when it is a hardware issue, it is usually much easier to fix on the PC.


Every Mac I've ever used has locked up jus as frequently as the Windows boxes. That isnt to say it happened often in either case. All of my PC's have 'just worked' as have the Mac's I've used. In my case, if I had a Mac at home, I'd still have to run windows if I ever wanted to get any work related tasks done at home. None of the software we use has a Mac version and we have to use software that is compatible with the software that our clients use.
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Your classes used Macs because they offer educational discounts to academic institutions. Another bit of marketing on their part. Same reason why almost all the computers in my school were apple's and why the laptop program here in Maine uses Apple products. They make so much money that they can afford to offer lower prices in an attempt to get students to use their product in hopes that they will continue to do so in the future.

I've used Photoshop on similarly spec'd Macs and PC's and it performs pretty much the same. I suspect your PC use was on older systems with inferior specifications.

As for the longevity, I disagree. I get as many calls from my friends with Macs as I do from my friends with PC's...there may be a difference in the technical ability of some of them but all of the Mac group are younger while half of the PC group are older and have zero technical ability. The difference between the two is that when it is a hardware issue, it is usually much easier to fix on the PC.


Every Mac I've ever used has locked up jus as frequently as the Windows boxes. That isnt to say it happened often in either case. All of my PC's have 'just worked' as have the Mac's I've used. In my case, if I had a Mac at home, I'd still have to run windows if I ever wanted to get any work related tasks done at home. None of the software we use has a Mac version and we have to use software that is compatible with the software that our clients use.
I run VM ware on my mac. This allows me to switch between PC to mac depending on the software being used. Its in paralell so I dont need to shut down nor boot back up. Its all in real time.

Does PC allow you to run any OS Software?

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Really, are you telling me MBP dont have better and more expensive design? You dont think an aluminum uni body design is not more expensive than a plastic laptop? You dont think there isnt any R&D put into what apple does? THats why PC companies always try and mimic what apple does?

Dell put out this ultra book or the vostro, it looks identical to a MBP. Why?

At the end of the day the choice is yours. THere is no such thing as a bad choice. In fact there is, the bad choice is when you buy a product that you didnt want all because someone told you otherwise. The only real choice is the one you make that makes you happy.
'Better' is a matter of preference as well. More expensive? Sure, aluminum is more costly than plastic. But its a tradeoff as PCs tend to have newer, more expensive components than Macs as I outlined before. (This is not to say Macs are 10 years behind or something, they just tend to have parts from an older, but complete, release cycle.) Apple realizes that most consumers value reliability over the newest and best. In this sense, the value-adds are something a tradeoff and, as you say, based on choice.

What Apple's marketing does, as I've said, is widen the gap because they realize that most consumers don't truly care if the inside is cutting-edge or something more mature, so to speak. If they can design something 'nicer' or 'better' on the outside, it'll be more valued than what's on the inside.
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'Better' is a matter of preference as well. More expensive? Sure, aluminum is more costly than plastic. But its a tradeoff as PCs tend to have newer, more expensive components than Macs as I outlined before. (This is not to say Macs are 10 years behind or something, they just tend to have parts from an older, but complete, release cycle.) Apple realizes that most consumers value reliability over the newest and best. In this sense, the value-adds are something a tradeoff and, as you say, based on choice.

What Apple's marketing does, as I've said, is widen the gap because they realize that most consumers don't truly care if the inside is cutting-edge or something more mature, so to speak. If they can design something 'nicer' or 'better' on the outside, it'll be more valued than what's on the inside.
Im wondering what is newer and more expensive in a new PC that is not in the New Macbook pro? Can you give us examples?

Retina display?
SSD memory?
Laterst Icores?

I have yet to see PCs take this new tech and incorporate it into their newest and best laptops.

The comment that most consumers dont truly care is naive. Look a few posts above and youll see a prime example of someone who went from PC to mac and gave the reasons like support and being "engaged" with their product. All apart of the user experience.

If something goes wrong with your mac, you can set up an appt and an apple store associate will help you through real life support. Say your DELL or HP breaks down or you need help, who do you call? Who do you meet with and figure out the issue?
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The comment that most consumers dont truly care is naive. Look a few posts above and youll see a prime example of someone who went from PC to mac and gave the reasons like support and being "engaged" with their product. All apart of the user experience.

If something goes wrong with your mac, you can set up an appt and an apple store associate will help you through real life support. Say your DELL or HP breaks down or you need help, who do you call? Who do you meet with and figure out the issue?
Talk about availability bias.

The overwhelming majority of consumers, not just for computers, indeed do not 'care' about what is on the inside. Most people don't go into Best Buy and ask how the configuration works together, which companies make the parts and what materials make up the parts. They just see the numbers for memory, screen size, etc. and that's enough for most people.

You're giving the general populace too much credit.
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I got my MacBook Pro for the main reason so that I can program iOS apps on it. Since you can't do that on PC. I used PC all my life until I got the MBP. Still happy with either one, not a fanboy of one or the other. Although I did just get an Apple TV... XD
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Talk about availability bias.

The overwhelming majority of consumers, not just for computers, indeed do not 'care' about what is on the inside. Most people don't go into Best Buy and ask how the configuration works together, which companies make the parts and what materials make up the parts. They just see the numbers for memory, screen size, etc. and that's enough for most people.

You're giving the general populace too much credit.
We live in very two different worlds then.

Everyone I know that buys a laptop or any tech device does their homework. More importantly they know what they are looking for in terms of needs. They arent buying for the sake of buying. They are buying to fulfill a requirement they need.

I wanted to specifically know what tech apple falls behind on vs PC laptops. This has been stated more than once, but im looking for example of. No generic PC laptop uses Retina display nor sold state memory. Am I missing something on size playing a large role in mobile devices? I think Apple is 2 steps ahead of the curve compared to any PC laptop out there.

The only thing PC laptops beat Macs in is hard drive space. Easily replaced by online storage, cloud computing and external drives. Do anyone really need 2TBs sitting around on any 1 device? If anything thats a good indication of how far along mac users are vs PC users.
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We live in very two different worlds then.
Indeed. It's become apparent that no matter how I repeat my answers, they won't translate to what you want.

Agree to disagree I suppose.
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Indeed. It's become apparent that no matter how I repeat my answers, they won't translate to what you want.

Agree to disagree I suppose.
Nice little jab there.

I refuse to sit here and let you tell me that Im "Stupid" for buying a Mac or supporting apple products. It seems its the only excuse apple haters have.

Not once did you give us an example of PC tech being ahead of apple.
Not once did you give us an example of superior quality over apple by a PC.
Not once did you give us an example of support for PC being as easy access as Apple.

But you did do one thing for sure. You sure told us that eveyrone that goes out to buy a product is stupid and does not know what they are buying. Do you actually know anything about the products or do you just ignore it and go back to putting down those who spend their money as they wish?

Maybe some of the older articles were correct when Neilson and other survey companies made their claim.. Maybe thats what its really about??

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Nice little jab there.

I refuse to sit here and let you let me that Im "Stupid" for buying a Mac or supporting apple products. It seems its the only excuse apple haters have.
Did I ever once say that about you specifically? Or is it just a result of you being conditioned by people who make blanket statements about Apple buyers? And yup, I did say 'everyone' didn't I? If you'd actually look at my posts, I praise Apple for their marketing.

Way to make assumptions because someone doesn't agree.
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]There mere fact that Apple has engrained people with their marketing is enough -[/B] they "earn" vastly disproportionate revenue compared to their market share.


Apple's campaign, in a sense, is akin to how cigarettes still have so much staying power given the long-term, industry-wide PR spin: it's taken away from hard "evidence" to quantify and compare their alleged characteristics to PCs, so what's left to influence that?
jab #1 that people buy apple products based purely on marketing. Myself and Doc are two examples from this thread alone that did not buy apple products based on marketing, but rather based on quality and reliability.


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The idea is that the concept is the same - it clouds focus on details and shifts away from comparisons. You completely missed the point if you think I was comparing smoking to computers.

Apple understands that most people don't care what makes up the inside of a product, which is why they tend to use older (but more reliable) parts. Consumers tend to gravitate toward products that 'look nicer,' and in this sense Apple doesn't experience as much competitive pressure as the rest of the PC market (which generally focuses on the "newest, best performing components" and such) precisely because of the logo/branding/packaging. That's what I'm getting at as far as Apple's influence.
Jab #2. Most people do care what they buy. They may not show it or talk about it, but thats is nothing more than a true tesitment to a customer who supports and believes they are getting a quality product from a leading company. If they were not satisfied or were shorted, it would affect complement sales. Doesnt seem like the case.

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From what you said, do you honestly believe branding has nothing to do with reputation? Think about that for a second....

And on the other end, branding has absolutely nothing to do with "quality" in of itself. Simple concept, really.

I also outlined that Apple doesn't subscribe to the "newest and best" approach that the PC market does that drives constant releases. They have more control since they're not subject to the multitude of configurations on the PC market. Why would they constantly release a new product as such?
Newest and best? Still waiting for whats newer, better on a PC laptop vs a MBP. Just want an example.

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'Better' is a matter of preference as well. More expensive? Sure, aluminum is more costly than plastic. But its a tradeoff as PCs tend to have newer, more expensive components than Macs as I outlined before. (This is not to say Macs are 10 years behind or something, they just tend to have parts from an older, but complete, release cycle.) Apple realizes that most consumers value reliability over the newest and best. In this sense, the value-adds are something a tradeoff and, as you say, based on choice.

What Apple's marketing does, as I've said, is widen the gap because they realize that most consumers don't truly care if the inside is cutting-edge or something more mature, so to speak. If they can design something 'nicer' or 'better' on the outside, it'll be more valued than what's on the inside.
Total jab at anyone that buys a Mac. You basically are saying if they can make it pretty it is the "SOLE" reason for picking one up.

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Talk about availability bias.

The overwhelming majority of consumers, not just for computers, indeed do not 'care' about what is on the inside. Most people don't go into Best Buy and ask how the configuration works together, which companies make the parts and what materials make up the parts. They just see the numbers for memory, screen size, etc. and that's enough for most people.

You're giving the general populace too much credit.
Ill give you this one. You know why? Because of our location. Canada has one of the highest rate of engagement and product information. So location did play a role. We are generally smarter about our money and what we are buying!!
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