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Old 10-07-2013, 03:58 PM   #301 (permalink)
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Yes thats what i think is the best way to do... if all can agree

or i guess we can make a rule u can only keep 1 guy per round...

but i think losing 1 2 3 is fair
I agree that losing 1 2 3 is fair...I would like to have this ironed out and agreed upon by vote or made official by you because I am in the midst of trade talks that would involve something like this. I dont want to make or propose a trade without a rule being in place or else it may screw me over for next season.
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If you want to keep 2 first rounder and a 2nd rounder u lose ur top 3 picks...

decided and official
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I agree that losing 1 2 3 is fair...I would like to have this ironed out and agreed upon by vote or made official by you because I am in the midst of trade talks that would involve something like this. I dont want to make or propose a trade without a rule being in place or else it may screw me over for next season.
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I don't think we should be able to keep 2 first rounders.
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My proposal...

2 in the same round keeper rule:
1st player is lost for that same round (i.e. rd 1 for rd 1)
Option 1:
2nd player is kept for the next closest rd (i.e. 2nd rd guy can be kept for 1st or 3rd rd selection with higher rd penalty taking precedecne)
Option 2:
2nd player is lost for next 2 rd selections (i.e. an additional 2nd rd guy can be kept for 3rd AND 4th rd selections).

Bottomline: keeping players who are upper echelon players should face more severe penalties in order to keep the league balanced.

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On a 2nd note, IF a team drops from the league for the 2nd and subsequent seasons all players drafted by that team should be placed back into the FA list at the end of the season regardless if they were traded prior to the end of the season? I would like to place more scrutiny in trading so a team doesn't stack up to win a league and then a team drops.
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He may not be viewed as a first rounder at this point in the season... for example my spiller is not really like a first rounder now...

thats y i said we should have just done keep 3 guys regardless or just wherever u got the player keep for that round..
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Looking to make some trades.. i offered a few or any1 offer me
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I don't think we should be able to keep 2 first rounders.
I'm ok with someone keeping two first rounders, but the penalties should be greater for doing so... I also think that instead of deciding yourself on what should be ruled "official" we take a vote on the options...we all have money invested here and since you also have a team in the league, it wouldn't be right for you to "call the shots", ESPECIALLY if it's your team involved in the trade.
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First off,
my team is not involved in the trade AT ALL... SPILLER AND JOSH GORDON ARE THE ONLY PLAYERS ON MY TEAM NFT

second completely understand...

what are other solutions

i definitley agree with the penalty idea as well... like maybe lose the 2nd round and another pick??

lets hear some other ideas...
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I'm ok with someone keeping two first rounders, but the penalties should be greater for doing so... I also think that instead of deciding yourself on what should be ruled "official" we take a vote on the options...we all have money invested here and since you also have a team in the league, it wouldn't be right for you to "call the shots", ESPECIALLY if it's your team involved in the trade.
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On another note, we need a timeline for keeper declarations....

I.e. NFL week 15, initial list of keepers is declared, NFL week 17 keepers list is finalized.

Teams need to see who will potentially be available/not available before finalizing their own Keeper list.

example: Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees are all declared keepers by their respective owners. I currently have Tom Brady, I may not want to release Tom Brady since I can't upgrade to a QB that I want, thus I declare Tom Brady a keeper for myself.
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I was just thinking in time before the draft next year...

maybe trades can happen in the offeseason or injuries... why wait this year??

Maybe if i have 4 guys that are very solid keepers i would trade 2 of them to some1 for 1 better keeper

like for example... if i plan on keeping 3 of cameron in the 11th josh gordon in the 8th julius thomas in the 11th and cj spiller in the 1st (dont know exact rounds just my guess)

maybe some1 who only have 2 legit valuable keepers would trade

so if someone had maybe keeping brandon marshall in the 2nd they would trade marshall for gordon and cameron

and then we each would have 3 great keepers

just an example... why the rush?? maybe by the end of the season u have to submit 1 keeper for sure?
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I do agree with the penalty...

Lets have some options and take a vote on it. Here are some I came up with:

Option One:

Can keep two first rounders but loose the next available closest round

Option Two:

Can keep two first rounders but loose next season first round and the season after thats first round to make up for the additional first rounder being kept

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Can keep two first rounders but you loose the next two available picks as a consequence

Option Four:

Cannot keep two first rounders. Only one is keepable
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I was just thinking in time before the draft next year...

maybe trades can happen in the offeseason or injuries... why wait this year??

Maybe if i have 4 guys that are very solid keepers i would trade 2 of them to some1 for 1 better keeper

like for example... if i plan on keeping 3 of cameron in the 11th josh gordon in the 8th julius thomas in the 11th and cj spiller in the 1st (dont know exact rounds just my guess)

maybe some1 who only have 2 legit valuable keepers would trade

so if someone had maybe keeping brandon marshall in the 2nd they would trade marshall for gordon and cameron

and then we each would have 3 great keepers

just an example... why the rush?? maybe by the end of the season u have to submit 1 keeper for sure?
Yea, doesn't have to be this year. Maybe NFL preseason week 1 initial list, NFL preseason week 3 keepers finalized, NFL week 4 DRAFT... (yes, i'm already looking into next year as i'm 0-4 so far, and I MIGHT get my 1st win this week...who would've known Brady is playing so bad and Ridley was a 1 year wonder).
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i wouldnt b against any of those 4 options at all so like them all...

my vote would b for option 1 or 3

im going to go with 1 (just losing the next round) my feeling is that u are already giving up a lot in the trade to get the first round player

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I do agree with the penalty...

Lets have some options and take a vote on it. Here are some I came up with:

Option One:

Can keep two first rounders but loose the next available closest round

Option Two:

Can keep two first rounders but loose next season first round and the season after thats first round to make up for the additional first rounder being kept

Option Three:

Can keep two first rounders but you loose the next two available picks as a consequence

Option Four:

Cannot keep two first rounders. Only one is keepable
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I do agree with the penalty...

Lets have some options and take a vote on it. Here are some I came up with:

Option One:

Can keep two first rounders but loose the next available closest round

Option Two:

Can keep two first rounders but loose next season first round and the season after thats first round to make up for the additional first rounder being kept

Option Three:

Can keep two first rounders but you loose the next two available picks as a consequence

Option Four:

Cannot keep two first rounders. Only one is keepable
I personally like Option Three... a team should suffer consequences for keeping multiple high round selections. But I think it should read something like:

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1st Rd Selection for First Rd 1 keeper AND
Two subsequent Rds of selection for 2nd Rd 1 Keeper (i.e. picks 2 & 3)
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i wouldnt b against any of those 4 options at all so like them all...

my vote would b for option 1 or 3

im going to go with 1 (just losing the next round) my feeling is that u are already giving up a lot in the trade to get the first round player
Can you send out a league message with a poll or create a poll on the league page and have every member vote so we can get this set in stone? Once majority hits an option we can finalize it in the rules.
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I personally like Option Three... a team should suffer consequences for keeping multiple high round selections. But I think it should read something like:

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2 1st Rd Picks
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1st Rd Selection for First Rd 1 keeper AND
Two subsequent Rds of selection for 2nd Rd 1 Keeper (i.e. picks 2 & 3)
Yes but the issue is also if you intend on keeping your second or third rounder as well.
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yep going to do that and use your words in the message because i like it... hahaha


but last question..

so say we vote and agree on option 3

u keep 2 first rounders and lose picks 1 2 and 3

what if u also wanna keep ur second round pick??

then what do you lose?? --> 4th and 5th round?
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yep going to do that and use your words in the message because i like it... hahaha


but last question..

so say we vote and agree on option 3

u keep 2 first rounders and lose picks 1 2 and 3

what if u also wanna keep ur second round pick??

then what do you lose?? --> 4th and 5th round?
If we decide on loosing two subsequent rounds then I guess so. I mean that would really put you behind the eight-ball as far as options available by having this consequence.
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If you keep 2 firsts, you should lose rounds 1,2,3 and not be allowed to keep anything else better than a 5th rounder since you already lost your penalty for keeping a 4th.
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Yes but the issue is also if you intend on keeping your second or third rounder as well.
How would that be possible since it was delcared only 2 keepers earlier this season? At least i'm thinking back to the Yahoo system and its only set up for two Keepers I think, NOT three.
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3 keepers it has always been...
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If you keep 2 firsts, you should lose rounds 1,2,3 and not be allowed to keep anything else better than a 5th rounder since you already lost your penalty for keeping a 4th.
This may be a little harsh but if the league votes for this then okay.
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How would that be possible since it was delcared only 2 keepers earlier this season? At least i'm thinking back to the Yahoo system and its only set up for two Keepers I think, NOT three.
I thought we had a vote and decided on keeping three keepers. This is ESPN not yahoo.
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Disregard my last, just went back through the board and found where we said 3 keepers... I would say that you suffer 2 subsqeuent rounds until the penalty for your keepers is enforced.

I.e. keep THREE 1st Rd selections, you lose Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, AND Rd 5....

I.e. keep 2 1st Rd Selections, and a 2nd Rd selection, you lose Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, and Rd 5...

i.e. keep 1 1st Rd selection, and TWO 2nd rd selections, you lose Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, and Rd 4...

i.e. keep 1 1st Rd selection, and TWO 3rd rd selections, you lose Rd 1, Rd 3, Rd 4 and Rd 5

i.e. keep 1st rd selection, 2nd rd selection, and 3rd rd selection, you lose rd 1, rd 2 and rd 3...
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Disregard my last, just went back through the board and found where we said 3 keepers... I would say that you suffer 2 subsqeuent rounds until the penalty for your keepers is enforced.

I.e. keep THREE 1st Rd selections, you lose Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, AND Rd 5....
Well it seems like this option is favored already...Keeping two from a first round results in loss of the next to subsequent picks...

IF you keep two firsts and a second then you loose your 1, 2, 3 and 4

IF you keep three firsts then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 even though the chances of this happening is highly unlikely

IF you keep two firsts and a 3rd then it has the same consequences as keeping two firsts and a second...1,2,3,4

I wish more league managers would weigh in on this.
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Disregard my last, just went back through the board and found where we said 3 keepers... I would say that you suffer 2 subsqeuent rounds until the penalty for your keepers is enforced.

I.e. keep THREE 1st Rd selections, you lose Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, AND Rd 5....

I.e. keep 2 1st Rd Selections, and a 2nd Rd selection, you lose Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, Rd 4, and Rd 5...

i.e. keep 1 1st Rd selection, and TWO 2nd rd selections, you lose Rd 1, Rd 2, Rd 3, and Rd 4...

i.e. keep 1 1st Rd selection, and TWO 3rd rd selections, you lose Rd 1, Rd 3, Rd 4 and Rd 5

i.e. keep 1st rd selection, 2nd rd selection, and 3rd rd selection, you lose rd 1, rd 2 and rd 3...
Do these seem harsh? Dame consequences for keeping a second in a later round?
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