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Old 10-14-2013, 02:04 PM   #376 (permalink)
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...so in an alternate scenario, let's say the following...

Person A gets:
2014 2nd Rd pick
2014 3rd rd pick
Stevan Ridley
Justin Blackmon

I get:
Arian Foster
Pierre Thomas
Tony Gonzalez

In 2014, I keep
Trent Richardson
Arian Foster

I would not have rds 1-5, since I am using my 1st rd selection to keep Foster, traded my 2 & 3, and keep Richardson for my 4th and 5th.

Would people be o.k. with that?
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i would b able to keep ray rice and spiller for my 1st 2nd and 3rd round guys
That is correct based upon our CURRENT keeper rules.
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No, you need to keep 1-3 to keep 2 first round players... i thought that was clear and is most fair..

u need to trade other players to get a player picked in the first round...

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...so in an alternate scenario, let's say the following...

Person A gets:
2014 2nd Rd pick
2014 3rd rd pick
Stevan Ridley
Justin Blackmon

I get:
Arian Foster
Pierre Thomas
Tony Gonzalez

In 2014, I keep
Trent Richardson
Arian Foster

I would not have rds 1-5, since I am using my 1st rd selection to keep Foster, traded my 2 & 3, and keep Richardson for my 4th and 5th.

Would people be o.k. with that?
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:10 PM   #379 (permalink)
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...so in an alternate scenario, let's say the following...

Person A gets:
2014 2nd Rd pick
2014 3rd rd pick
Stevan Ridley
Justin Blackmon

I get:
Arian Foster
Pierre Thomas
Tony Gonzalez

In 2014, I keep
Trent Richardson
Arian Foster

I would not have rds 1-5, since I am using my 1st rd selection to keep Foster, traded my 2 & 3, and keep Richardson for my 4th and 5th.

Would people be o.k. with that?
No. Your second first rounder would need to be kept with 2 & 3, like stated in the rules.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:11 PM   #380 (permalink)
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No where in the rules is there anything stating that I have to HAVE a 1st Rd selection in order to keep a 1st Rd player. NO ONE has shown me where in the rules it states that explicitly. Please post it up if you can show me exactly where that is, I do not see it.

My stance: It's not in the rules, but you guys are trying to punish me for something that doesn't exist in the rules??? Crazy... This is almost as bad as saying, hey I don't like that trade, I'll veto it and with a single vote so that trade doesn't go through.
Isn't that logically given?
How would you keep a first round player without a first round pick to keep them?
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:17 PM   #381 (permalink)
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The rule list SHOULD state everything...and NO WHERE does it state you MUST have a first round pick to keep a first round pick...it only states the penalty for keeping a 1st rd pick and subsequent picks. I still fall in lines of the keeper penalties.

Besides, you are the one whom started this stink in the first place and have no vestment into this trade...so what gives???
Started this stink? I wanted to be clear since a trade was proposed to me where I could possibly acquire a 2nd first rounder and we had no rules regarding this situation...Dont you think that it would be reasonable to try and see what the league thinks about this before I consider a trade like that? Why wouldnt one want to keep both first rounders if they acquire it...I wanted it to be more clear. I then got an answer form the league and decided I did not want to acquire that second first rounder. And no vestment in this? I am a league member and if this trade goes through then there will be more problems and controversies when others try and do the same thing (even if its unintentional) when it makes no sense. Would like to try and avoid that. We are all paying for a spot. Again, see this trade as 100% fair BUT makes absolutely no logical sense since you dont have a first to give up if you plan on keeping a first rounder. I think that is pretty clear. It seems you are outnumbered here and this isnt just "me" thinking this. It makes no sense what is going on in your trade. If we go by what you are thinking then we can have unlimited first round picks as long as we can take away the next to available rounds.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:29 PM   #382 (permalink)
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Its simple you cant keep a first round player without a first round pick

we agreed to these rules and therefore i traded for a second first round player and can keep both for rounds 1-3 that was agreed on

the trade between u 2 has not been agreed and completed so it can still be taken back based on what u think are new rule changes


its pretty simple a first round pick is not near equivalent to a 4th and 5th round pick...

It was not written explicitly that u can keep a first round player without a first round pick but to everyone else it was pretty clear...
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Let's just make a poll with our options and see what the majority thinks and go with it. I too am confused and conflicted on the best option
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and stripedbass isnt making a stink at all, he is helping so we dont encounter future problems in the offseason...

no reason to get mad at him...

sorry but let me know what u wanna do about this trade...

when u did the trade or "agreed" i thought u were aware of this and just wanted to go with the "win now" strategy
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Its simple you cant keep a first round player without a first round pick

we agreed to these rules and therefore i traded for a second first round player and can keep both for rounds 1-3 that was agreed on

the trade between u 2 has not been agreed and completed so it can still be taken back based on what u think are new rule changes


its pretty simple a first round pick is not near equivalent to a 4th and 5th round pick...

It was not written explicitly that u can keep a first round player without a first round pick but to everyone else it was pretty clear...
Your first two sentences are conflicted...
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How??

can i not keep rice and spiller for rounds 1-3?

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Your first two sentences are conflicted...
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How??

can i not keep rice and spiller for rounds 1-3?
Its simple you cant keep a first round player without a first round pick

we agreed to these rules and therefore i traded for a second first round player and can keep both for rounds 1-3 that was agreed on
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Write AAAAAAAAAA for:

You can keep 2 first round players without having a first round draft pick (2,3,4,5)



Write BBBBBBBBBB for:

You need to have a first round draft pick to keep a first round player. You can keep 2 first round players by giving up rounds 1-3
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No. Your second first rounder would need to be kept with 2 & 3, like stated in the rules.
It doesn't say that... It says two subsequent rd penalties with a bunch of examples following...
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Still confused how those contradict...

I have all my draft picks and have spiller and ray rice

i can keep both by giving up rounds 1-3

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we agreed to these rules and therefore i traded for a second first round player and can keep both for rounds 1-3 that was agreed on
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It doesn't say that... It says two subsequent rd penalties with a bunch of examples following...
First and foremost, we all agreed to this on the ESPN rules post:

1st round pick --> Kept as a 1st round pick
2nd round pick --> Kept as a 2nd round pick
3rd-5th round pick --> Kept as a 3rd-5th round pick respectively

So to your first argument of keeping a first rounder without losing a 1st and only keeping for 2nd and 3rd, breaks this rule.

For the second 1st rounder, 2 subsequent rounds would be the 2nd and 3rd. You cant bypass this rule by trading your picks away. Thats just unfair to all other owners.
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First and foremost, we all agreed to this on the ESPN rules post:

1st round pick --> Kept as a 1st round pick
2nd round pick --> Kept as a 2nd round pick
3rd-5th round pick --> Kept as a 3rd-5th round pick respectively

So to your first argument of keeping a first rounder without losing a 1st and only keeping for 2nd and 3rd, breaks this rule.

For the second 1st rounder, 2 subsequent rounds would be the 2nd and 3rd. You cant bypass this rule by trading your picks away. Thats just unfair to all other owners.
+1 I agree
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First and foremost, we all agreed to this on the ESPN rules post:

1st round pick --> Kept as a 1st round pick
2nd round pick --> Kept as a 2nd round pick
3rd-5th round pick --> Kept as a 3rd-5th round pick respectively

So to your first argument of keeping a first rounder without losing a 1st and only keeping for 2nd and 3rd, breaks this rule.

For the second 1st rounder, 2 subsequent rounds would be the 2nd and 3rd. You cant bypass this rule by trading your picks away. Thats just unfair to all other owners.
+2. This should put this whole thing to rest.
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Reminds me of someone who posts a /thread as if they have the final say...smh
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On a lighter note, I'm still looking into trades for Julio
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Reminds me of someone who posts a /thread as if they have the final say...smh
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Besides, you are the one whom started this stink in the first place and have no vestment into this trade...so what gives???
^^^please see your top quoted post.
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You can keep 2 first round players without having a first round draft pick (2,3,4,5)



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You need to have a first round draft pick to keep a first round player. You can keep 2 first round players by giving up rounds 1-3
A and I vote for 1/2 of B as well. I am good with the you can keep 2 1st rd players.

The keeper rules need to be readressed.
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A and I vote for 1/2 of B as well. I am good with the you can keep 2 1st rd players.

The keeper rules need to be readressed.
Of course you are lol. But we need to form a precedent rule right now it seems to be 3 to 1 in favor of espn rule.
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Option B makes more sense in my opinion.
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Gotta be option b. No other way to go.
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