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Old 10-17-2013, 08:25 PM   #451 (permalink)
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Wow what a trade! Did not see that coming
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We are both 2-4. We needed some sort of change.
Going to be interesting to see how this pans out lol GL
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Hey Justin. Team The Apocalypse and I just completed the following trade:

Team The Apocalypse Receives:

Maurice Jones Drew
2014 7th round pick

Team Donovan Receives:

Ryan Mathews

So if you could please process this, I would appreciate it.

Thank you!
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yep will be processed

also could u do me a favor and send me the same post in a message just so i can save it under a folder with the other trades

thanks

and also for the future, any trades involving picks throw them on the thread so people arent confused and also shoot me the message
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yep will be processed

also could u do me a favor and send me the same post in a message just so i can save it under a folder with the other trades

thanks

and also for the future, any trades involving picks throw them on the thread so people arent confused and also shoot me the message
Thank you and pm sent with trade info.
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Hey Justin. Team The Apocalypse and I just completed the following trade:

Team The Apocalypse Receives:

Maurice Jones Drew
2014 7th round pick

Team Donovan Receives:

Ryan Mathews

So if you could please process this, I would appreciate it.

Thank you!
This is confirmed on my end.
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Are we set at 3 keepers? And what round pick is it to keep an undrafted player?
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Some exciting trades I'm willing to get in the discussion will make a trading block on espn
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we agreed keep in the 10th for a free agent find

yes right now definitley 3 keepers

we wouldnt b able to change to 5 keepers unless every single team manager agreed (doubt would happen) and also would include u dont have to keep 5 guys

can keep 3,4,5 or even 1 player
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we agreed keep in the 10th for a free agent find

yes right now definitley 3 keepers

we wouldnt b able to change to 5 keepers unless every single team manager agreed (doubt would happen) and also would include u dont have to keep 5 guys

can keep 3,4,5 or even 1 player
Ok thanks for confirmation.

1 vote for up to 5 lol
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I like the moves ur doing also bud...

Don't have ur first round pick but
Have 2 second rounds
2 fourth rounds
2 fifth rounds

plus keeping julio
I can tell everyone whom I'm keeping at this point...
Julio Jones (cost me a 2nd rd)
Eddie Lacy (cost me my second 2nd rd)
DeSean Jackson (cost me a 3rd rd)

So no "real" pick until the 4th, but I think I'm pretty loaded so far...
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Are we set at 3 keepers? And what round pick is it to keep an undrafted player?
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we agreed keep in the 10th for a free agent find

yes right now definitley 3 keepers

we wouldnt b able to change to 5 keepers unless every single team manager agreed (doubt would happen) and also would include u dont have to keep 5 guys

can keep 3,4,5 or even 1 player
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Ok thanks for confirmation.

1 vote for up to 5 lol
I would NOT vote for 5 keepers after all the trades I made today... could be reconsidered AFTER the 2014 draft.
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I also agree with 3. With 5, too much talent is taken off the board in my opinion, making next year's draft a lot less valuable
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Definitely three keepers. Anymore and it completely dilutes the draft...
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I would NOT vote for 5 keepers after all the trades I made today... could be reconsidered AFTER the 2014 draft.
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I also agree with 3. With 5, too much talent is taken off the board in my opinion, making next year's draft a lot less valuable
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Definitely three keepers. Anymore and it completely dilutes the draft...
I agree...keep it 3 keepers.
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I can tell everyone whom I'm keeping at this point...
Julio Jones (cost me a 2nd rd)
Eddie Lacy (cost me my second 2nd rd)---> cost you a 4th
DeSean Jackson (cost me a 3rd rd) --->cost you a 5th

So no "real" pick until the 4th, but I think I'm pretty loaded so far...
Not sure if I understand what you are saying.

Didnt you draft DeSean in the 5th? You would loose a 5th not 3rd.

Eddie Lacy was drafted in the 4th....You would then loose a 4th for keeping him, not 2nd.

Anyone drafted rounds 1-5 result in loosing that pick:
1st round pick --> Kept as a 1st round pick
2nd round pick --> Kept as a 2nd round pick
3rd-5th round pick --> Kept as a 3rd-5th round pick respectively


So if those are your 3 keepers you would loose a 2nd, 4th, and 5th.

Is there something I am missing?
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Not sure if I understand what you are saying.

Didnt you draft DeSean in the 5th? You would loose a 5th not 3rd.

Eddie Lacy was drafted in the 4th....You would then loose a 4th for keeping him, not 2nd.

Anyone drafted rounds 1-5 result in loosing that pick:
1st round pick --> Kept as a 1st round pick
2nd round pick --> Kept as a 2nd round pick
3rd-5th round pick --> Kept as a 3rd-5th round pick respectively


So if those are your 3 keepers you would loose a 2nd, 4th, and 5th.

Is there something I am missing?
I had to go back and read the keeper rules, I thought at one time only rds 1-3 were a rd for rd penalty, NOT Rds 1-5. In that case, I'm in even better position than I thought (personal opinion on that statement).
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I say close at 10 peeps... no need to keep kicking this can down the road.

Oh yea, my votes...
1) NO PPR... too much B.S. in PPRs. (Really, you need a point for every catch? Weaksauce!)
2) Don't really care which platform, I'm most familiar with Yahoo. Not so much so with ESPN
3) Following year drafts should be based on team performance from the year prior (i.e. league champ gets last pick following year)
4) Snake draft
5) Draft penalty should be -2, with the exception of top 3 rds. (i.e. 9th rd keeper, lose 7th rd pick; TOP 3 example, 3rd rd keeper, lose 3rd rd pick, if you already lost 3rd rd, you lose the next rd higher (i.e. 3rd rd keeper, lose 2nd rd pick if already lost 3rd rd from previous keeper)
6) QB1, RB1, RB2, WR1, WR2, WR3, TE1, DEF/ST, K
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I agree with everything here. Though, are we going to have a bench on the roster? And about sending in league fees, I wouldn't send mine in as pp gift, so wouldn't that hurt the final final payouts?
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I agree with most of this, but here are my exceptions:

1. I vote for ppr, but instead of 1 point per catch, make it .5 points a catch (I did this in 1 of my leagues last year and it worked well).
2. I STRONGLY support an ESPN league. Best layout, functions, graphics, etc.
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Agree with the 2 points above.

I vote .5 ppr
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Following year's draft based off previous standings
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draft penalty -2 rounds but not able to keep first 2 rounds. makes those later picks more worthwhile for future value
QB1, RB1, RB2, WR1, WR2, WR/RB (Flex), TE1, D/ST, K

Think that's all
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Okay so when thinking about it...

Im gonna do it like this...

Not everyone is gonna be in complete agreement and therefore i will decide and what everyone will like...

If their is a huge problem then that person can drop out and then we will have a 10 person league... if someone else becomes interested then it can become a 12 person league

I dont think that is a main issue right now (i know we currently have 11)

It will be an ESPN League

I will send the invites out upon receiving payment (will be goods payment an extra dollar or so so i can send it back out as goods as well)

Format will be


QB
RB
RB
WR
WR
WR
RB/WR
TE
K
DFST


HALF POINT PPR (0.5 points per catch)

As for Keeper Rules:

3 players will be kept with these conditions

Draft penalty should be -2, with the exception of top 3 rds. (i.e. 9th rd keeper, lose 7th rd pick; TOP 3 example, 3rd rd keeper, lose 3rd rd pick, if you already lost 3rd rd, you lose the next rd higher (i.e. 3rd rd keeper, lose 2nd rd pick if already lost 3rd rd from previous keeper)


only issue is not sure if espn can take away the draft pick... if this becomes an issue then say i want to keep demarco murray as a 3rd rounder then every1 will just have to pass on him and allow the person to take demarco murray as a 3rd rounder...


Okay So the league is set...

When is a good day to draft for you guys??
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First and second round picks cannot be kept

a round 3 pick can be kept for round 1 and cannot be kept the third year...
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I can agree with almost everything else except these...this is what makes a keeper league special is the fact you can keep ANY player you drafted (including those in the 1st and 2nd rd). That's why I suggested the top 3 rds suffer the same penalty each year. You keep your 1st rd pick, you lose your 1st rd pick (theoretically you would pick the same guy anyways if you had lost him, but you are gambling that no one else picks him up). Example, if you picked AP in 2012 in the 1st rd, you are likely not going to give him up this year. I sure the hell wouldn't. The same can go for quite a few players (Megatron, Aaron Rodgers, etc.)

Bottomline: You can keep any player, but you suffer a penalty in the draft in some fashion.

Also, as the commissioner don't you have some method of assigning players to teams before the draft even starts? Like setting rosters or something. There has to be a way to assign the keeper players to their rightful owners.
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+1, I agree with this as well. Top three rounds should jut keep the same round penalty.

As for the draft, I prefer early mornings or late night drafts. Busy with my autistic son's therapy most days during the afternoon/early evening.

If all rules are decided on, I will pay Friday Morning (Payday)...
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good point...

so the decision

is between



keeping any three players regardless of where taken

OR

Draft penalty should be -2, with the exception of top 3 rds. (i.e. 9th rd keeper, lose 7th rd pick; TOP 3 example, 3rd rd keeper, lose 3rd rd pick, if you already lost 3rd rd, you lose the next rd higher (i.e. 3rd rd keeper, lose 2nd rd pick if already lost 3rd rd from previous keeper)

i also can just assign players to teams so that should b fine


OTHER than that everything else is set

(half ppr) all of the other rules are general consensus and every1 can draft accordingly based on the settings (nothing drastically different than standard)

Let me propose some draft dates and let me know what you guys think

(I know this is early notice but)
This coming sunday August 11th 9 PM Eastern
Monday August 12th 9 PM Eastern
Friday August 16th 10 PM Eastern

I can do almost any weeknight at 11PM Eastern also

Let me know if any of these work or if not propose some ideas!

2 payments in!

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I don't think it's an "OR" but rather an "AND"... BOTH are in effect. You can keep a max of 3 players but you suffer penalties for keeping those players dependent upon what round they were taken in the following year's draft.

(P.S. sorry for being a stickler, but I manage contracts all day, so words are extremely key. )

I personally think we should wait on a few weeks of NFL preseason, but I'm game with whatever the majority decides on when to draft. I'm also in Mountain time, so everyone else may also want to post what time zone they are in.
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Ya...

I actually meant this

We can do it that their is no penalty in the draft

you keep 3 players and lose no picks regardless and where they went the year before

OR

the minus 2 per round and same round for top 3...


Ya im fine with waiting on draft day also...

im gonna start collecting payments so every plz message me

my pp addy is

jbmets95@gmail.com

plz message me with any other questions about payment or anything

once receiving ur payments i will need ur email addys to send u link for league

THANKS!
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Espn. I like -2 except top 3. And any days but 26 27 or 28th out of town
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We still need to decide on ppr or not

As for keeper rules

We are going to do -2 rounds per player unless its a top 3 rounder and then u lose just that round

I will make an extra deep bench and Wavier pickups will lose a 10th round pick

Any player drafted will take on that position

For example if a first round draft pick (dont wanna jinx with any names) gets hurt and is out for the year, if he is dropped and is on the wavier wire, if picked up can b kept as a first round pick and not a 10th

I would be opened to keeping a max of 5 players and minimum of 1

Or we can keep a max of 3
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Here is how the roster will look

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RB
RB/WR/TE
WR
WR
TE
K
DFST
Bench
Bench
Bench
Bench
Bench
Bench
Bench
IR

17 total spots

as for keepers

1st round- kept as a first round
2nd round kept as a second
3-5th round can be kept as a 3rd rounder
6th round for a 4th round
7th for a 5th round and so on

any player not drafted than picked up can be kept as a 12th rounder
(originally i had said a 10th but changing to a 12th)(harder to get great guys off waviers)

There will b a max of 5 keeper kept but 1 will have to b a wavier guy

so you can only keep 4 guys drafted

Any other questions as for keepers??
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This looks great to me.

And yeah, I could do either the 23rd or 24th.

But could we move the time to either 8 or 9 pm EST?
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So here are how the keeper rules will work

Writing this so we have no problems in the future

3 Keeper allowed Max

As many of the 3 Max keepers can be off the wavier wire

ANY Player drafted takes on those keeper rights

For Example, If I draft a RB in the first round and he gets hurt week 1, if i drop him and he is picked up, he can be kept for a first round pick and not a 12th

1st round pick --> Kept as a 1st round pick
2nd round pick --> Kept as a 2nd round pick
3rd-5th round pick --> Kept as a 3rd-5th round pick respectively

If want to keep a 3rd round pick and 4th round pick --> You Lose a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick
If want to keep a 3rd round pick and 4th round pick and a 5th round pick --> You Lose a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick

6th round pick --> Kept as a 4th round pick

If want to keep a 3rd round pick and 4th round pick and a 6th round pick --> You Lose a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick

If want to keep a 3rd round pick and 5th round pick and a 6th round pick --> You Lose a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick

If want to keep a 4th round pick and 5th round pick and a 6th round pick --> You Lose a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick


7th Round pick --> Kept as a 5th round pick

If want to keep a 3rd round pick and 4th round pick and a 7th round pick --> You Lose a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick

If want to keep a 3rd round pick and 5th round pick and a 7th round pick --> You Lose a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick

If want to keep a 4th round pick and 5th round pick and a 7th round pick --> You Lose a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick

8th round pick --> Kept as a 6th round pick
9th round pick --> Kept as a 7th round pick
10th round pick --> Kept as a 8th round pick
11th round pick --> Kept as a 9th round pick
12th round pick --> Kept as a 10th round pick
13th round pick --> Kept as a 11th round pick
14th round pick --> Kept as a 12th round pick
15th round pick --> Kept as a 13th round pick
16th round pick --> Kept as a 14th round pick
17th round pick --> Kept as a 15th round pick

ANYONE off the wavier and originally not drafted can be kept for a 12th round pick the following year
Tried to quote all the applicable posts, I knew the league agreed on top 3 rds going rd for rd, and then subsequent rds suffered a -2 draft penalty. Then I read the last post on it from jbmets and it changed to top 5 rds (with no vote on that). What happened???
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Tried to quote all the applicable posts, I knew the league agreed on top 3 rds going rd for rd, and then subsequent rds suffered a -2 draft penalty. Then I read the last post on it from jbmets and it changed to top 5 rds (with no vote on that). What happened???
I also would like to know when this was changed, because I thought only rounds one through three could be kept without penalty...
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I had to go back and read the keeper rules, I thought at one time only rds 1-3 were a rd for rd penalty, NOT Rds 1-5. In that case, I'm in even better position than I thought (personal opinion on that statement).
Thought so. You were punishing yourself in the draft for no reason. Figured I would let you know lol.
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Thought so. You were punishing yourself in the draft for no reason. Figured I would let you know lol.
Maybe not... guess we'll have to wait and see what happened when jbmets95 addresses this. I think there are already two guys upset at this, and one for.
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It was supposed to be rounds 1-3 had no penalty. 4th would lose a 3rd, 5th would lose a 4th, ect. Nothing should have changed.
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It was supposed to be rounds 1-3 had no penalty. 4th would lose a 3rd, 5th would lose a 4th, ect. Nothing should have changed.
It was a 2 rd penalty for subsequent rds outside of 1-3. I.e. a 4th rd keeper is penalized as a 2nd, 5th for a 3rd, 6th for 4th, etc.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:32 AM   #472 (permalink)
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It was a 2 rd penalty for subsequent rds outside of 1-3. I.e. a 4th rd keeper is penalized as a 2nd, 5th for a 3rd, 6th for 4th, etc.
This was my understanding as well...
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:52 AM   #473 (permalink)
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As far as I know, that's 4 wondering what's going on, 1 ok with it, and then the league commissioner. Whose the other 6 that we're missing???
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:04 PM   #474 (permalink)
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I would prefer round 1-5 hav no penalty. Outside of those is -2.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:12 PM   #475 (permalink)
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As far as I know, that's 4 questioning, 3 for, and 1 leage commissioner.

Those questioning:
Usafshelland
Michael Miracle
WhoDatNation
cromartie3145

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NON-COMMITTAL:
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