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Old 10-23-2013, 05:58 PM   #601 (permalink)
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At first I was all aboard with snake, however after reading what JB said regarding the losing 1 and only having 24, I agree with him that regular seems fair


On an unrelated note, half of my starters are on bye this week... should be interesting
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Honestly I have only been in leagues where snake drafts occurred...what exactly is a regular fantasy draft and how is it different than snake?
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Honestly I have only been in leagues where snake drafts occurred...what exactly is a regular fantasy draft and how is it different than snake?
Every round is reverse standings

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Etc...
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Honestly I have only been in leagues where snake drafts occurred...what exactly is a regular fantasy draft?
That means that if you get first overall pick, you get the first pick in every round...

I understand why some may think it is unfair that the worst team gets pick one and then has to wait until pick 24, but wouldn't it be more unfair to whoever finishes in ninth place? I mean, they'll get no money from the final standings, and they are stuck with the ninth pick every round...

I know that you think a regular draft would help the worst two or three teams, but it would also hurt teams seven through nine the most, and penalize those who did well this season much more than we should. A snake draft is the only to ensure that everybody starts on a somewhat even playing field in the draft...

Just my opinion, but I can't see how a regular draft would help more people than a snake draft...
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I still agree with snake even though it's impossible at this point not to be biased.
Interesting...while I do like the thought of a regular draft, I agree with Justin here.
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how r we going to do keepers going forward????

i feel like we should just make it after this year keep it 3 guys regardless... because a guy like maybe a mid receiver like pierre garcon might go top 3 rounds..
Lol we should have settled all this before we started instead of proposing new rules in the middle of the year..
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I'd vote for regular draft each round...(and I think I'll finish middle of the pack)

...at this point I would also vote to going to 4 keepers if we do move to a regular draft.

I know we shouldn't propose new rules, but we also didn't consider all aspects during the preseason and you learn of things during the season. So the rules should be refined and likely will be refined over the next 3 years as situations arise.
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Lol I just noticed you don't have paid besides my name. Did I never pay or was it accidental that you didn't put it there?
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I'd vote for regular draft each round...(and I think I'll finish middle of the pack)

...at this point I would also vote to going to 4 keepers if we do move to a regular draft.

I know we shouldn't propose new rules, but we also didn't consider all aspects during the preseason and you learn of things during the season. So the rules should be refined and likely will be refined over the next 3 years as situations arise.
Any more than three keepers dilutes the draft too much. If everybody were to keep four players on their team, that's forty eight players already taken from the draft pool. That means in the first two rounds, we might even see a backup RB be taken. How can that be a good thing for teams?

Plus, many people have already made moves (or not made moves) planning to keep three players on their team for next year. If we were to decide to change it to four keepers per team, the earliest we should do it after the next draft, that way, people can plan for it in the upcoming draft AND through trades during the season...
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Agreed we should keep at 3 keepers for now

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Any more than three keepers dilutes the draft too much. If everybody were to keep four players on their team, that's forty eight players already taken from the draft pool. That means in the first two rounds, we might even see a backup RB be taken. How can that be a good thing for teams?

Plus, many people have already made moves (or not made moves) planning to keep three players on their team for next year. If we were to decide to change it to four keepers per team, the earliest we should do it after the next draft, that way, people can plan for it in the upcoming draft AND through trades during the season...
I agree with this...I have made transactions that involved the rules of only 3 keepers.
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Every round is reverse standings

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Etc...
So in other words it would be
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So in other words it would be
1. 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
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etc...???
Well the way that JB has it set up itd be

7 8 9 10 11 12 5 6 3 4 2 1 (based on playoff brackets)

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First to clear something up

I will try to make this as clear as possible

Champion picks 12th
Runner up picks 11th
Winner of the 3rd place game picks 9th (Reward for winning)
4th place picks 10th
Winner of 5th place game picks 7th
6th place picks 8

As for the losers bracket.. (Which will prob b me )

The winner of the loser's bracket picks 1st

and then so on...

So if in the loser's bracket u win the 3rd place game u pick 3rd overall


This method will prevent tanking!!
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Well the way that JB has it set up itd be

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I dont understand... when did this ever change? I thought we agreed on draft order is reverse standings to make sure there was incentive for last place teams to stay in the keeper league....????
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I dont understand... when did this ever change? I thought we agreed on draft order is reverse standings to make sure there was incentive for last place teams to stay in the keeper league....????
He changed it to have people avoid tanking, but we hadn't voted on it or anything. It should be reverse standings, periods, and ZERO more changes should be made to the rules by the commish without league approval...
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I actually stated this rules and made it clear when the league first started
When i get on a computer i will find my message about it before we even drafted

I think it is much fairer that way

And yes altho some things have been changed, nothing people have had problems with

This is my first year as a keeper league commish so im new and changing rules

I dont think we have any major issues and altho rules havw chanhed i think ppl r cool wit them all

Why r ppl against the way to make draft order for next year??
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I believe draft order will be
Regular season #12
Regular season #11
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Regular season #8
Regular season #7
Worst Record of Playoff teams playing in week 14 who lose.
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Just like the NFL...i.e. if you have a bye in the playoffs, you will finish with somewhere between picks 9-12 for the 2014 draft.

I STILL vote for regular draft each round...also can't just think about picks (i.e. joe blow has pick #1 in this fashion). He may actually have to utilize is 1st rd pick to keep a 1st rd player from the previous year's draft. That's why I think scheduling a time frame for keeper declaration is important. (i.e. initial keeper list declared preseason week 1, final keeper list declared after preseason week 3, draft after preseason week 4.)
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I believe draft order will be
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Regular season #7
Worst Record of Playoff teams playing in week 14 who lose.
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Just like the NFL...i.e. if you have a bye in the playoffs, you will finish with somewhere between picks 9-12 for the 2014 draft.

I STILL vote for regular draft each round...also can't just think about picks (i.e. joe blow has pick #1 in this fashion). He may actually have to utilize is 1st rd pick to keep a 1st rd player from the previous year's draft. That's why I think scheduling a time frame for keeper declaration is important. (i.e. initial keeper list declared preseason week 1, final keeper list declared after preseason week 3, draft after preseason week 4.)
Only thing about waiting to declare your keepers until you know who everyone else keeps is that what if they wait until the last second? I'm confusing myself lol but it's impossible for everyone to wait until the keepers are concrete to lock their own keepers in. Will it be reverse standings like the draft or everyone on the same day during the preseason or is it even a big deal to people.
Lol I'll go ahead and say as of now mine are Thomas Moreno and Manning
but if I can get a second round pick somehow I'd love to keep Marshall

Good point tho USAFSHELLAND on declarations in preseason, also going to be interesting to see how the nfl draft will incorporate into our draft strategies
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I actually stated this rules and made it clear when the league first started
When i get on a computer i will find my message about it before we even drafted

I think it is much fairer that way

And yes altho some things have been changed, nothing people have had problems with

This is my first year as a keeper league commish so im new and changing rules

I dont think we have any major issues and altho rules havw chanhed i think ppl r cool wit them all

Why r ppl against the way to make draft order for next year??
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ok sounds good we will just do worst to best based on the standings

JB- This was what you said to multiple managers agreeing on it being reverse standings draft order. You thought of the method you were talking about but others werent for it and you ended up saying what I quoted above. The conversation is on page 7 if you want to check it out.


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I believe draft order will be
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Just like the NFL...i.e. if you have a bye in the playoffs, you will finish with somewhere between picks 9-12 for the 2014 draft.
Yes. This is exactly what we agreed on.

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I STILL vote for regular draft each round...also can't just think about picks (i.e. joe blow has pick #1 in this fashion). He may actually have to utilize is 1st rd pick to keep a 1st rd player from the previous year's draft. That's why I think scheduling a time frame for keeper declaration is important. (i.e. initial keeper list declared preseason week 1, final keeper list declared after preseason week 3, draft after preseason week 4.)
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I also like the process that Eric mentioned.
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Only thing about waiting to declare your keepers until you know who everyone else keeps is that what if they wait until the last second? I'm confusing myself lol but it's impossible for everyone to wait until the keepers are concrete to lock their own keepers in. Will it be reverse standings like the draft or everyone on the same day during the preseason or is it even a big deal to people.
Lol I'll go ahead and say as of now mine are Thomas Moreno and Manning
but if I can get a second round pick somehow I'd love to keep Marshall

Good point tho USAFSHELLAND on declarations in preseason, also going to be interesting to see how the nfl draft will incorporate into our draft strategies
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JB- This was what you said to multiple managers agreeing on it being reverse standings draft order. You thought of the method you were talking about but others werent for it and you ended up saying what I quoted above. The conversation is on page 7 if you want to check it out.




Yes. This is exactly what we agreed on.


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I also like the process that Eric mentioned.
After thinking about it, yes, it will be almost impossible to plan for keepers until you know what another manager is keeping, unless you are for sure locked in. (I for one am locked in unless I can get some kind of amazing trade). Maybe based on final REGULAR season games, the #1 team has to commit to keepers by x date, then the #2 team by x date, etc. So the benefit will go to the #12 team for planning out their keeper list (team whom finishes the worst in regular season).

We'd have to work on timing though... person A has until 12 hours after the final game of preseason week 4 to declare, person B 24 hours, person c 36 hours, etc. FINAL keeper declaration would take approximately 6 days from the end of preseason week 4, but I don't think it will actually take all 6 days to do so. Should you not declare a FINAL list of keepers during the week leading up to the draft, your INITIAL keeper list will be institutionalized for your team.

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Ok so last to fine standings is fine

We should determine very soon if we r doing snake or regular

I think regular

Wat abt maybe first few rounds regular then after round 4 snake??

Just an idea


And as for declaring keepers

I think the following options r fair

First place declares his 3 keepers first then 2nd place declares his 3 then so on

Or every1 sends me their keepers within 1 hr (then biased for me)

Or we do like a snake draft for keepers and every1 1 by 1 releases there keepers


Im cool wit any and think this isnt a big deal either way
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I agree with this

Lets also not forget that u dont have to keep 3 players

My guess is most ppl will but i can c ppl not

Like ik right now the chiefs defense is a top defense

Some1 may trade me like a 12th round pick to get the chiefs and then keep them as a 10th

Just a possibility like that

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After thinking about it, yes, it will be almost impossible to plan for keepers until you know what another manager is keeping, unless you are for sure locked in. (I for one am locked in unless I can get some kind of amazing trade). Maybe based on final REGULAR season games, the #1 team has to commit to keepers by x date, then the #2 team by x date, etc. So the benefit will go to the #12 team for planning out their keeper list (team whom finishes the worst in regular season).

We'd have to work on timing though... person A has until 12 hours after the final game of preseason week 4 to declare, person B 24 hours, person c 36 hours, etc. FINAL keeper declaration would take approximately 6 days from the end of preseason week 4, but I don't think it will actually take all 6 days to do so. Should you not declare a FINAL list of keepers during the week leading up to the draft, your INITIAL keeper list will be institutionalized for your team.

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After thinking about it, yes, it will be almost impossible to plan for keepers until you know what another manager is keeping, unless you are for sure locked in. (I for one am locked in unless I can get some kind of amazing trade). Maybe based on final REGULAR season games, the #1 team has to commit to keepers by x date, then the #2 team by x date, etc. So the benefit will go to the #12 team for planning out their keeper list (team whom finishes the worst in regular season).

We'd have to work on timing though... person A has until 12 hours after the final game of preseason week 4 to declare, person B 24 hours, person c 36 hours, etc. FINAL keeper declaration would take approximately 6 days from the end of preseason week 4, but I don't think it will actually take all 6 days to do so. Should you not declare a FINAL list of keepers during the week leading up to the draft, your INITIAL keeper list will be institutionalized for your team.

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Wouldn't it be easier to say everyone must have keepers set before the start of the first week of the preseason, and then you are allowed to make ONE change the following week to their keepers after seeing everyone else's keepers, so that by the end of preseason week two, we all know the keepers one hundred percent, and we can prepare for the draft?
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Ok so last to fine standings is fine

We should determine very soon if we r doing snake or regular

I think regular

Wat abt maybe first few rounds regular then after round 4 snake??

Just an idea


And as for declaring keepers

I think the following options r fair

First place declares his 3 keepers first then 2nd place declares his 3 then so on

Or every1 sends me their keepers within 1 hr (then biased for me)

Or we do like a snake draft for keepers and every1 1 by 1 releases there keepers


Im cool wit any and think this isnt a big deal either way
Im not a fan of regular AND snake...I think it should be one or the other. Im indifferent about which one. Im cool with what you guys are saying about keeper declaration...kind of hard to find a fool proof way.
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