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Old 07-21-2010, 01:39 PM   #126 (permalink)
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I don't have this card in my possesion, but does it work trunks in the back? I could possibly see it being part of the robe (possibly).
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Ali did wear a red robe during the super fight.
looks like the robe he wore in superfight had a satin-type of finish (whereas the one in the card, doesn't look like it)... and the 'A' on his robe name plate looks taller than the one pictured in the card.

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looks like the robe he wore in superfight had a satin-type of finish (whereas the one in the card, doesn't look like it)... and the 'A' on his robe name plate looks taller than the one pictured in the card.

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Yeah I also noticed the space in the middle of the a is much larger also.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:11 PM   #128 (permalink)
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maybe its from his cornerman's gear?

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the back of the card says training worn trunks:



the card sold for 1900

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Old 07-21-2010, 02:14 PM   #130 (permalink)
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Training worn trunks...
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Training worn trunks...
at least they say where it came from... practice round somewhere. Obviously until we know that his estate sold this to Dr. Price then there will be questions. From the back it looks like they were never used in a fight but just for practice/training.
I'd rather know this than what some other companies put out for their notes on the piece of whatever.
I just received an UD card recently and the back says something along the lines of...you have received this authentic game used card with a signature sent to us by so and so. It never says the piece was actually used by this player or when, just it is game used and the signature is his.

Didn't the last SK release have some cuts that were of trainers and jockeys and other random items?

I would still rather know where the piece of memorabilia comes from (no matter what it is) over thinking I got someones arm-pit cut from an event and there are 4000 other of these same pieces out there.
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Okay, after too many PM's about my comment - I'm just going to post the link. I knew better than to post anything. Read it all.

Late 1970's Muhammad Ali Training Worn Trunks.... (Total: 1 card) Boxing Collectibles: Memorabilia
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I think I was just trying to point out that at least SK said what and where the item is from as opposed to other companies claims (I know beating a dead horse). The link is good and we never really know where items end up on the secondary market (ie razor products)
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It seems the direction Price needed to go to keep his company and brands "successful" (however you want to measure it) was to lower prices with SK series D and attempt to attract a larger customer base. Although there's a few devout followers with deep pockets, that's not enough to support the Company. The concentration of revenues from the few devout followers is too risky to build the brands on, so he needs to make the product more attractive the the masses. If Price actually read this thread, he'd be pissed with the amount of potential customers wheels is driving away and the negative perception he's creating for the Company with his arrogance.
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It seems the direction Price needed to go to keep his company and brands "successful" (however you want to measure it) was to lower prices with SK series D and attempt to attract a larger customer base. Although there's a few devout followers with deep pockets, that's not enough to support the Company. The concentration of revenues from the few devout followers is too risky to build the brands on, so he needs to make the product more attractive the the masses. If Price actually read this thread, he'd be pissed with the amount of potential customers wheels is driving away and the negative perception he's creating for the Company with his arrogance.
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I think I was just trying to point out that at least SK said what and where the item is from as opposed to other companies claims
this is the back of one of my Upper Deck master collection ali auto/robe cards. notice ud gives the exact year and what fight the robe was used in. why couldn't brian price do this? one of the most important factors when it comes to authentication, is knowing which year the item was used in

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That card was also produced back in 2000 when the companies were using verbage that the item was game worn, personally signed in the presense of, personally sent by, worn by etc... The card companies don't do that anymore. You see the verbage worn in an official game, photo shoot, etc...

My gripe with the manufacturers now is that the verbage has changed, why? Is there something that isn't being told are they hiding something, do they not know where it came from? At least ITG still uses the game worn, fight worn, training worn, personally signed by wording on their items. I'm not all about ITG/SK/Ringside but I do think they put out a nice product and should be given a shot to make licensed product. From a collector standpoint they are great, rip and flip not so much. Isn't what the hobby was built on and about is collecting and not the quick buck and big payday? I think that is what has changed. Everyone thinks they are going to make money and get rich. It's not about collecting anymore. I'm glad I had a son recently so I can go back to collecting and not worry about how much money I made/lost on a product.

I believe all the items I have seen for Ali in Ringside all state training worn. I'm not sure where the fight worn discussion came from. I did own two Ringside Ali items and neither said fight worn.
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That card was also produced back in 2000 when the companies were using verbage that the item was game worn, personally signed in the presense of, personally sent by, worn by etc... The card companies don't do that anymore. You see the verbage worn in an official game, photo shoot, etc...

My gripe with the manufacturers now is that the verbage has changed, why? Is there something that isn't being told are they hiding something, do they not know where it came from? At least ITG still uses the game worn, fight worn, training worn, personally signed by wording on their items. I'm not all about ITG/SK/Ringside but I do think they put out a nice product and should be given a shot to make licensed product. From a collector standpoint they are great, rip and flip not so much. Isn't what the hobby was built on and about is collecting and not the quick buck and big payday? I think that is what has changed. Everyone thinks they are going to make money and get rich. It's not about collecting anymore. I'm glad I had a son recently so I can go back to collecting and not worry about how much money I made/lost on a product.

I believe all the items I have seen for Ali in Ringside all state training worn. I'm not sure where the fight worn discussion came from. I did own two Ringside Ali items and neither said fight worn.
Talking about "hitting the nail on the head"!

So has it been proven yet that the Ali memorabilia pieces are in fact "UN"authentic?

LOL...Seriously...some of you guys make me laugh. Just keep trying though. You're going to be trying long and hard to prove Dr. Price put out unauthentic memorabilia Ali pieces. LOL
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Anyone have any idea of what the "special event" at the Ringside booth at the National might be? Dr. Price alluded to something happening there at the National.
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Yes the hobby was built on collecting and not the big pay day, but the hobby has clearly evolved into big business. A product made for "collectors," which you seem to be implying have no regard for return on purchases of product, will never last because there aren't enough of these "collectors" out there to keep a brand/Company afloat. Price knows this especially with his changes in the price structure recently. It's a sign of the times that people expect more value for what they are paying and the previous price structure couldn't be supported by market demand.

I too agree with the fact that using his professional designation from an unrelated field is somewhat deceiving. Even though he worked hard to earn it in the health sciences, I can see how to some it may provide a false sense of comfort as it is irrelevant to the hobby.
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Anyone have any idea of what the "special event" at the Ringside booth at the National might be? Dr. Price alluded to something happening there at the National.
dr. price will be giving flossing tips. if you bring 5 empty boxes of sportkings he'll give you a free toothbrush. participants under 10 recieve a free lolly pop
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dr. price will be giving flossing tips. if you bring 5 empty boxes of sportkings he'll give you a free toothbrush. participants under 10 recieve a free lolly pop
What "tips" are you going to be giving? Are you going to continue to make up lies in an attempt to become more popular?

Perhaps you'll create more posts like this:...

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and there are alot of questions about the authenticity of the ali memorabilia cards. in fact, the biggest ali memorabilia collector/dealer says that the ali cards containing the red colored trunks are 100% unauthentic. who authenticates the memorablilia dr.price uses for his products? i've even heard some of the cut autos are 100% unauthentic. i'm not trying to stir the pot, i'm just sharing some of the opinions given from serious boxing collectors
...you know...ones that are void of fact.

So who is this know-it-all "biggest Ali memorabilia collector/dealer" that knows nothing about what he's talking about? Did you make him up? How about the "serious boxing collectors" whose opinions you're sharing? Did you make up those guys, or are you proving that they must not be quite as serious as you portray them as being since they also don't know what they're talking about? Much like you.

"The red colored trunks are 100% unauthentic"...LOL. Have you found actual proof yet? Or are you afraid of posting the truth? The truth that you know these are likely to be 100% authentic? LOL

You're a joke in this forum. You like to run your mouth hanging onto anything that might make you look right when you bash a product. Perhaps you will learn this time to watch what you say, because obviously your post I quoted above about the authenticity of the Ali memorabilia was not only premature, but completely false.

Keep trying though. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Keep trying though. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
It wasnt that funny.


And for the record according to the auction that sold those shorts it should be easy for a boxing fan to find photos of ali in red trunks. Did you find the picture yet? Cause it should be easy.

Not saying I know they are fake or not just saying you dont know for sure if they are REAL. You would think they would get them directly from the family not someone where 9 million things could have gone wrong. But hey when you cut corners for the "collectors" you get questions.
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Do we really know if anything is real? No matter what company it is.
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I didint read all the thread but if the question was: did Ali ever fight in red trunks the anwers is yes... Ali vs Frazier I
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I didint read all the thread but if the question was: did Ali ever fight in red trunks the anwers is yes... Ali vs Frazier I
I didn't know his trunks said "ALI" in that fight...

I'm not going to get into this. I just think that it's going to go no where, and that the only person with the REAL answer will probably not post on this subject. So until then, all this is just pissing in the wind like always.
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I didint read all the thread but if the question was: did Ali ever fight in red trunks the anwers is yes... Ali vs Frazier I
you're right he did. but did the trunks have ALI written on them? no.
besides the trunks in question are supposedly "training worn"
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You're a joke in this forum. You like to run your mouth hanging onto anything that might make you look right when you bash a product. Perhaps you will learn this time to watch what you say, because obviously your post I quoted above about the authenticity of the Ali memorabilia was not only premature, but completely false.
really? i'm pretty sure you're the most irrelevant voice on this board. probably in this hobby. you're like that annoying neighborhood dog that just won't shut the hell up.

and the boxing collectors who i associate with aren't card collectors so you won't find them on this board. they know what they're talking about unlike yourself. i wonder what brian price actually thinks of you. he probably feels the same way about you as 99% of the board members here. the joke is on you, well you're the only joke here.
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really? i'm pretty sure you're the most irrelevant voice on this board. probably in this hobby. you're like that annoying neighborhood dog that just won't shut the hell up.

and the boxing collectors who i associate with aren't card collectors so you won't find them on this board. they know what they're talking about unlike yourself. i wonder what brian price actually thinks of you. he probably feels the same way about you as 99% of the board members here. the joke is on you, well you're the only joke here.
My posts are relevant. Yours are just made up mudslinging full of false accusations.

If anyone actually claimed those Ali memorabilia cards Dr. Price released in his products are 100% unauthentic, (assuming you didn't make that up hoping to become more popular), then they 100% don't know what they are talking about. Perhaps they should stick to something other than making comments concerning sports cards since they can't accurately make comments concerning them. I don't care if they are the self-proclaimed number 1 collector/dealer of Ali stuff. I don't care if they are hardcore boxing fans. If they claim that memorabilia is unauthentic, they are 100% WRONG.

Now, continue your mudslinging if you wish. I doubt the crow you'll be eating later will taste any different than the crow you're eating now.

By the way...how does crow taste these days?

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