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Old 12-01-2012, 05:31 PM   #26 (permalink)
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-O-PEE-CHEE-WWF-PRO-WRESTLING-STARS-5-STEAMBOAT-POP-1-PSA-9-X1239334-/380526754916?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=380526754916&_rdc=1&nma=true&si=eN%2BL4jd%2F2iflD9fGU2xEg5fB0q0%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557



I just picked this up a few days and I am waiting to get it in the mail. This is actually a pretty tough tough card and I have never come across one I could personally submit that would grade PSA 9 Mint.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:30 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Nice get in The Dragon.
Was it BIN ?
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:34 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Yes it was a Buy It Now. I was surprised 4 Sharp Corners had it at that price with it being a Pop 1 and the highest graded so far.

I would have thought they would have had it listed closer to $35. I would have probably paid that much for it.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:57 PM   #29 (permalink)
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PSA 10 Macho Man & Elizabeth is up!!!

Randy Macho Man Savage Elizabeth 1985 OPC 63 O Pee Chee WWF Wrestling PSA 10 | eBay
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:48 PM   #30 (permalink)
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PSA 10 Macho Man & Elizabeth ends Saturday night!
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:59 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Will be interesting how many last second snipes come in on it.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:49 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Ending tonight!!!

Should be interesting.

So many people trying to get me to end the auction!
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:10 AM   #33 (permalink)
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how the hell is that a gem mint???? look at the centering there??? PSA cmon??? Ive heard all this talk that PSA is all about centering...............really??? after looking at this card???

im baffled

serioulsy the same same savage card listed a 9 has better centering than the 10.......................am I the only one seeing this???
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:58 PM   #34 (permalink)
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PSA Grading Standards


It falls within the guidelines. Ideally it would be better centered and I do like mine better but I still expect this will finish strong.


Here is a PSA 10 that no one could question.


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Old 12-08-2012, 07:01 PM   #35 (permalink)
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yes i agree that ventura has perfect centering, obviously consistency is an issue here.
Im slowly trying to start an all-star set with PSA grades (since PSA is the way to go with vintage cards) but I still see BGS 9s & 9.5s that look the same and sometimes better........and they are half the price??

from what I see PSA focus more on centering whilst BGS more on corners.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:04 PM   #36 (permalink)
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that centering is a psa 10?!?
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:07 PM   #37 (permalink)
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/271118149017?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D271118149017%26_rdc%3D1







The primary difference between the PSA and BGS graded Wrestling All Stars is the BGS graded example has very little lower border and would be off centered top to bottom significantly.

There are a ton of high grade BGS cards that have almost no lower border and these have zero chance of crossing to PSA in the same grade.

The BGS 9.5 in the EBAY listing would be a PSA 7 or a PSA 9 OC.

That is why there are so many more with such high grades from BGS relative to the number submitted.

There are plenty of great looking cards in BGS holders but in most cases a Gem Mint PSA graded card is stronger.

I have purchased a number of BGS graded cards and have had some luck for sure. The problem is my cross rate has been less then 40% and this is trying in many cases first in the holder and second out of the holder.

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Old 12-08-2012, 09:28 PM   #38 (permalink)
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thats a fair 9.5 in my opinion. the centering looks really good left to right and up and down, surely that woud be a PSA 10??
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:52 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I am going to say no.

I do not think that will cross to a PSA 10.

The Jake The Snake Roberts card is not one of the most difficult cards in the set but Jake has proven to be very popular with collectors.

The 1983 cards to do not have as many with terrible centering and there are other examples in the set which are more obvious that they are not deserving of the grade.

I struck out on every Andre card I bought and Hogan's as well. I cracked numerous BGS 9.5's from the sets to have them come back a PSA 8 and a PSA 9 so if there is not an equivalent PSA grade I do not consider there being a higher rated example.

I have indeed crossed over a number of BGS graded examples but unfortunately the cross rate has been less then 40%.

This is why the prices are lower.
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:40 PM   #40 (permalink)
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dpeck im not trying to sound like a smart arse here but what are the differences between those jake roberts??? the psa 10 and bgs 9.5 to me look exactly the same to me.
i honestly cannot see a flaw in either. the bottom to top centering are the same as is left to right??

i think the flaw with PSA grading is that they dont give individual graded like BGS does (centering,corners,edge,surface)
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:12 PM   #41 (permalink)
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If you saw these two cards next to each other you would see that the BGS example has a smaller lower border then the PSA graded example.

If you like the BGS card buy it and try and cross it. If it does not cross then you have to crack it out and see what happens if you want it in a PSA slab.

I have cracked a good number of BGS cards and as I said before some have worked and many have not. That is the risk you take when trying to put together the best sets you can.

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There was a tiny wrinkle on the back that BGS missed. This card presents extremely well.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:56 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Psa is much better grader than BGS.

Little surprised the Macho-Liz didn't break $200.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:13 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I was expecting this card to sell for at least $200 as well.

The interest in Randy Savage cards has really not been shown to be that large. His cards moved up quick when he passed away and then faded pretty quickly.

As was mentioned earlier in the thread the centering on this particular example was not as strong as many would have hoped for out of a PSA 10 and I would suspect that hurt the price as well.

And finally my example was no longer a Pop 1 and in many cases the second card to hit the pop report brings a lower price then what the first would have.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:36 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I just picked these up today in the mail.




















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Old 08-14-2013, 10:17 AM   #45 (permalink)
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A few days ago 4 Sharp Corners listed a Randy Savage for $24.99 and I was surprised they listed one for that price as they generally start higher. It didn't last long and was snapped up by a board member.

To me this is one of the most underated wrestling cards and I can't for the life of me understand how it hasn't been selling for more then it has the past few times not inlcuding the above sale.

There was a straight auction running for the card as well this past week and it just finished at $87 when you include the shipping. That is more like it for such a tough card condition wise and for two huge 1980's wrestling stars.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:27 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I am the lucky one who got the Savage for just $24.99. I consider that a great steal. I would probably pay $300 for a 10, maybe more depending on the seller. There are only 3 10's and I don't see that number going much higher considering that it is a OPC release.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:48 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Except unfortunately the auction was a TOTAL fraud (I assume) by the seller who shilled me up to my initial max bid with a 0 feedback bidder (with 95% of all bids placed with this seller). I retracted my max bid yesterday so he would stop and see if I could still get it in the end for the 50 he had shilled me to, but he apparently shilled it up again in the interim to a max bid of 71. There was a legit buyer (I think??) at 77, but one of the two of us could have had that card for under 20 dollars without the shill account (not saying others might not have bid it up higher than 20, but the shill accounted for 60.00 of the final bid.

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It is always frustrating when a bidder with 95% activity with one seller bids on a card.

This looks to me like two SNIPE bids came in at the end and many times those are bids to really try and win.

In your analysis you are forgetting about the bidder with 799 feedback and they would have forced the card to finish above $50.

If you think the price was too high be glad you didn't win.
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No one of those "snipe bids" was my bid again at 75 at the last second to try to win it at 50 he'd shilled it up to the day before (I had had to cancel my initial bid rather than let him continue to shill me all the way up even higher because I placed such a high initial bid at the start.) Then there was the other high winning last second bid. I'm just saying you take out those shill bids from 12.50 all the way up to 71 and then and only then is it a legit straight auction. Maybe it still goes for 77, maybe it doesn't, but it's hard to take anything away as far as the true current market value of the card when the person selling it (presumably) shilled the card up 90 percent of its final selling price with a zero feedback bidder with 98 % of his bids with this seller out of 60 total bids.

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