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Old 05-17-2013, 09:05 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Since we are all posting where we stand on all of this I will post my opinion. I love that the market for wrestling cards has really taken off in certain areas. More collectors means more product being made. Here is where I stand on older stuff in wrestling. I have never really been a huge fan of graded cards. Its awesome if your card is gem mint or mint and it makes it that much more appealing for you. I do not want to rely on a grade, however, to be the several hundred and maybe even thousand dollar difference in value from mine to the next guys' card. When it comes down to it as long as a card is nearmint or better that is all I care about. I don't need a grade on the card. Just my 2 cents
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:11 PM   #102 (permalink)
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I'd have an easier time accepting (to a point) the difference in grading price points if I believed all cards were graded the same (or in PSA's case also stayed the same grade in their crappy holders). I've seen PSA 9's and PSA 10's that look like 7 or 8's (at best) far too many times to pay that type of a premium without seeing the card in person. Grading was another scam that overtook the hobby. Instead of standardizing grading, it's just created a highly subjective, borderline phony one where people began to pay more for a number than a card.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:28 PM   #103 (permalink)
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I rarely buy graded cards. When I do, it is usually for the sake of authenticity (for example1933 Sportkings Londos).

I do understand the premium prices a PSA 9 or 10 can fetch for some of the vintage sets, such as the 82/83 Wrestling All Stars, since the population of those cards are insanely low compared to other sports.
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:21 AM   #104 (permalink)
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I need your guys opinion as you are almost all more knowledgeable than me on wrestling cards and grading is something I have never done and is foreign to me. The wrestling card market is fairly knew to me. Other than the Leaf Originals which I jumped all over and would be willing to argue with anyone that I have the best set in the world. 354 total, 20 blacks, etc... (I actually would love to see the other collections that compare as I would find it really cool) but other than those my wrestling collection is limited. What I do own though are ungraded complete sets of the 1982 and 1983 All Stars and I also have a sealed set of the 83s.

Where I would like your opinions is here, please grade these for me, I would appreciate any honest feedback. If I know what these would grade it would make me more confident on sending some of mine in. My scanner doesn't do it any justice as it seems to make it look like there are print spots which you can't see with the naked eye. It's probably hard to tell based off a scanner photo, but any opinions would be appreciated:

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Old 05-18-2013, 10:58 AM   #105 (permalink)
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It is really tough to tell a cards true grade from a scan. A lot of times you can't see small issues to corners and you rarely can pick up surface issues like a wrinkle that will kill the grade.

The card on the left will grade no higher then a PSA 8 due to the top to bottom centering. If there is the slightest issue with any of the corners and they do not come to a razor sharp point it will grade Near Mint PSA 7.

The second card has awesome centering and could grade Mint if it is as sharp in hand as it is in the scan. The Jake Roberts card is not a super condition sensitive card and is not one of the tougher cards to find in strong condition.

One of the toughest things about chasing high grade cards is a card can be perfect but have a small issue that lowers the grade.


This card would be Gem Mint but it has a slight little line that runs over the upper right hand corner. It has everything going for it but it doesn't matter.






The front of this card is Mint. It has tremendous eye appeal.









Unfortunately when you check out the back you will see a small issue with the lower right hand edge.






When I get a card graded the number one thing I think of is do I have a chance to recover my grading fee. One of the primary reasons I do not send in more cards from the OPC Series II set is that if they come back a PSA 8 I lose. They literally have to be Mint or higher to win. Anything that appears even border line is still sitting in a card saver.

With the Wrestling All Stars you have a strong chance of recouping your grading fee if the card grades an 8 and you most certainly will if it grades higher. What I mean by this is the raw value plus the fee. I am much more willing to gamble on a border line card when this is the case as all it takes is a few hits and you win.

Good luck if you decide to get any of them graded.
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Old 05-18-2013, 04:24 PM   #106 (permalink)
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How much do the inherent print flaws that show up on some of the Wrestling All Star cards affect grading?

for example the discolored round areas on the Hulk Hogans, or the green streaks that show up on fabulous Moolah cards, or the tiny white circles that show up randomly. they aren't really damage or qualifiers, but do have affect on value
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The green streaks on the Moolah is the primary reason there has never been a PSA 9 Mint surface.

I have the only PSA 9 PD and it has the streak but it is the large one. You can still get a PSA 8 with the small streak if it is mint otherwise.


The Hogan is plagued by the dot next to his head and the white discoloration on the right hand border. I think it really just depends on the card and how nice it is otherwise. There is a PSA 9 that was graded a long time ago with the dot next to the head. I don't think they would award this card the same today. BGS has no problem with it.

In terms of the print dots once again it just depends on how severe they are. The yellow cards from the 83 set have tons of the little white circles on them and if it is very faint it won't hurt the grade. Once you get into a card with a lot of them it will lower it several grades.









Here is an example of one of the yellow cards that has a very small amount of the little circles on it. Most have a lot.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:36 PM   #108 (permalink)
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So print dots affect grade but rough cut does not??? Wheres the consistency in that?
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:28 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Go look up some older hockey cards made by OPC. Then make a comment.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:13 PM   #110 (permalink)
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That really doesnt answer the question or justify it.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:30 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Print dots come from the factory as the card was printed and really are part of the card.

If Topps and OPC used different types of blades when they cut the cards you get different outcomes.

I personally do not like the cut at all. It bothers me like it does you. That being said PSA realizes how these were cut and makes room for that.

In the OPC world of Hockey they prefer the rough cut so they know it was not cut from a sheet. Sharp OPC cards like this in many cases sell for much less. By this time I think OPC had better cutting results and less of the rough cuts but clearly they still existed.

PSA just sees them as two different issues.
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