Leaf 2012 Originals - Grading

[booyahlaw]

Originally Posted by dpeck100

1982 Wrestling All Stars Ric Flair "Nature Boy" Rookie Very RARE Card PSA DNA | eBay



Here you go.

What does a PSA 6 Flair normally go for? I cannot imagine the Flair autograph on a PSA 6 Flair really enhances the value that much--seems a little more like a "show-and-tell" listing by the King.

[booyahlaw]

Originally Posted by dpeck100

PSA definitely authenticates and grades autographs on cards.

Here is a BGS 9 I cracked out and got signed.

Anyone have an opinion as to whether the printing blemish to the right of Hogan's head affects the card's grade with PSA? I have a Hogan with the same issue that I would like to send to PSA.

[mwheeler27]

Thanks, guys. I have never noticed a PSA grade on an in-person auto card before.

[dpeck100]

These cards are tough to value signed and graded.

There really is not a market price because the supply is so low.

The Wrestlingcardking has done a great job of finding a tradeable value for his merchandise.

When there are so few to choose from sometimes you just have to hit the buy price.

A signed 1982 Wrestling All Stars Series A Ric Flair is a sweet card in any condition.

[booyahlaw]

Originally Posted by dpeck100

These cards are tough to value signed and graded.

There really is not a market price because the supply is so low.

The Wrestlingcardking has done a great job of finding a tradeable value for his merchandise.

When there are so few to choose from sometimes you just have to hit the buy price.

A signed 1982 Wrestling All Stars Series A Ric Flair is a sweet card in any condition.

Sweet card--absolutely. $800 card--to someone, perhaps. However, with Flair being amongst the living and actively signing in a large amount these days, I just don't see the enhancement in value from the $100 a PSA 6 Flair normally would garner to $800. If we were talking another one of the long-deceased guys in the set, I would not even bring up this point.

Of course, value is subjective, so who knows.

[dpeck100]

I understand your comments about the price and feeling it is stretched.


That being said when you have oceanfront property you can always ask what you feel the property is worth and see if someone else agrees.

Finding a Ric Flair signed is not easy and his card has dried up.

They are showing up much less frequently and when they do they are either a tremendously over graded BGS 9.5 example or a pour condition copy at a high price.

A signed Ric Flair is a $300+ plus card in a holder all day and in decent condition much higher. They just are not out there right now and even with his signings you still are not seeing them show up.


Maybe one day they will but that day is not today.

[Krayzie83]

Originally Posted by booyahlaw

Good to know, been awhile since I have graded anything, especially something with an autograph on it.

Question to the seasoned graders of new stuff around here: what's the draw to BGS over PSA--is it purely aesthetic, or are they better graders on the new stuff?

For PSA the main draw is their Registry where you can compete for the coveted #1 spot in whatever category it is.. As for BGS I'd say the draw is their subgrades and superior protection to anything on the market. As far as looks, it's all personal preference and grading is very subjective.. I wouldn't say any grader is better then the other.

[mwheeler27]

Beckett is working on their new registry, and it should be done soon:

http://www.beckett.com/registry/

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Beckett is working on their new registry, and it should be done soon:

http://www.beckett.com/registry/

I could not find any information but is the registry free?

[dpeck100]

PSA is king. They have 85% market share of all new cards submitted.



Ivan Koloff 1982 Wrestling All Stars Series A Card BGS 9 Mint Pop 3 NWA WWE PSA | eBay


This right here is an example of why the Wrestling All Stars sell for so much more in a PSA holder. This card would grade no higher then a PSA 7. It is not just driven by competition but people wanting to own a quality card.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by dpeck100

PSA is king.

This, of course, is a matter of opinion.

I would say it depends on the card(s) submitted.

[dpeck100]

There was a time when BGS was winning the battle but that time has come and gone.

PSA is crushing BGS at this point. If you do a search for completed auctions under PSA or BGS you will find 82% are for PSA graded cards. Very close to the number I referenced.

The market has chosen PSA for 8.5 out of every 10 cards being sent into grading companies and that number may be higher at this point in PSA's favor.

These are just the facts and they suggest an overwhelming preference for PSA.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by dpeck100

There was a time when BGS was winning the battle but that time has come and gone.

PSA is crushing BGS at this point. If you do a search for completed auctions under PSA or BGS you will find 82% are for PSA graded cards. Very close to the number I referenced.

The market has chosen PSA for 8.5 out of every 10 cards being sent into grading companies and that number may be higher at this point in PSA's favor.

These are just the facts and they suggest an overwhelming preference for PSA.

Can you show me stats, (other than ebay completed listings), that show PSA having more "modern-day" cards being submitted than BGS?

[dpeck100]

The numbers I have used are for all card submissions.

I do not have any breakdown on percentages by year.

There are certainly segments of the card market where it is possible BGS is getting more then 15% of the submissions.

Some people prefer BGS, some prefer PSA and some prefer SGC.

That being said 85% prefer PSA.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by dpeck100

The numbers I have used are for all card submissions.

I do not have any breakdown on percentages by year.

There are certainly segments of the card market where it is possible BGS is getting more then 15% of the submissions.

Some people prefer BGS, some prefer PSA and some prefer SGC.

That being said 85% prefer PSA.

Like I said before, it depends on the card(s) being submitted.

For modern-day cards, "PSA being king" might not be accurate. I just looked through all completed auctions on ebay with an actual closing bid win from $5,000 on up, and the overwhelming majority of PSA cards are vintage, where an overwhelming majority of BGS cards are modern-day cards.

I am still of the opinion that BGS rules the modern-day card market while PSA still rules, (and always will), the vintage card market.

Vintage cards have been around longer than PSA. PSA has been around longer than BGS. It stands to reason that PSA would get more submissions than BGS. However, I believe BGS gets more modern-day card submissions than PSA. If anyone has any facts stating otherwise, I'd love to see them.

[dpeck100]

I just ran a search and I think it is fair to say that BGS gets more very modern cards submitted to them.

The way I view life I will still say PSA is king. Perhaps the way another person views it they would say BGS is king.

At the end of the day one must decide what they like.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by dpeck100

I just ran a search and I think it is fair to say that BGS gets more very modern cards submitted to them.

The way I view life I will still say PSA is king. Perhaps the way another person views it they would say BGS is king.

At the end of the day one must decide what they like.

I couldn't agree more.

[pnft17]

Originally Posted by dpeck100

PSA is king. They have 85% market share of all new cards submitted.



Ivan Koloff 1982 Wrestling All Stars Series A Card BGS 9 Mint Pop 3 NWA WWE PSA | eBay


This right here is an example of why the Wrestling All Stars sell for so much more in a PSA holder. This card would grade no higher then a PSA 7. It is not just driven by competition but people wanting to own a quality card.

Agreed, that Koloff is pretty bad for BGS 9. Reason why it sold so cheap. PSA 8 probably sells for a lot more than that BGS 9.

[dpeck100]

PSA wants to see a lower border on these.

This one has virtually none.