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Old 05-16-2013, 11:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 1992 WCW Topps UK Set with Scott Hall rookie card.....

I find it interesting to hear that Sjim8660 is considering starting a PSA Registry set of the 1992 WCW Topps UK.

The centering on these cards are all over the place and finding enough to really build out a set will be tough.

I have purchased some of these and plan to send them into PSA.

There are some cool cards in this set and I think the Diamond Stud card #52 is going to be a big card very soon.

This is a cool card as it features Scott Hall right before he broke out to huge success in the wrestling business.

The other card in the set that I think has tremendous potential is the Paul Heyman card. This is just an awesome shot of Paul E Dangerously back in the day. This card could get hot in high grade for sure.

Here are some scans of the cards from the set and the checklist.


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Old 05-17-2013, 12:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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That's one of my favorite sets, and you just recently sold me one

Diamond Studd should be the key card, I think, with the recent popularity of Scott Hall.
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I am glad you liked the set.

These cards are cool and hard to find. I have only seen a few recorded sales in the US.

This is indeed Scott Hall's true rookie card and I think there will be strong interest in a graded Mint example or higher.
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I would love to get my hands on some unopened packs, if thats how they were distributed. I also like the Vader card, that is one of his earliest cards. He is not in the Impel or wonderama set, i believe.
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These cards are hard enough to find individually or in sets let alone sealed packs. I would like to get some sealed packs or boxes of the 95 product and break them on camera just in case there is a nice auto in there.
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Wow I did not realize the 1995 WCW had auto's inserted. I don't believe I have ever seen one.

WrestlingTradingCards.com - 1995 WCW Main Event Trading Cards

The odds are quite low to pull one at 1 per 320 packs.

That Stunning Steve Austin could be a monster card.

I am not exactly certain how the 1992 WCW Topps set was distributed. I have never seen any packs.

The Vader card is a cool one for sure and I plan to get some of those graded too. He is also in the magazine set but not in the Impel or Wonderama.
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Wow I did not realize the 1995 WCW had auto's inserted. I don't believe I have ever seen one.

WrestlingTradingCards.com - 1995 WCW Main Event Trading Cards

The odds are quite low to pull one at 1 per 320 packs.

That Stunning Steve Austin could be a monster card.

I am not exactly certain how the 1992 WCW Topps set was distributed. I have never seen any packs.

The Vader card is a cool one for sure and I plan to get some of those graded too. He is also in the magazine set but not in the Impel or Wonderama.
I never knew those autos existed either, wow. I bet the Austin/Hogan/Sting would sell for a lot, maybe Gordon Solie too. A box ended on Ebay recently for $47. But this makes me nervous

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and if any of the autographs were by redemption cards only. Cards do not have special markings on them to identify
whether they are authentic or not. All autograph cards from this series are of the regular basic set cards.
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I have only ever seen autos of hacksaw, meng, and the bodybuilder guy who I cannot remember his name. All of them claimed to have been pulled from packs and the sellers had empty packs and boxes as their proof. The cards have no certification at all so its tough to say what they are worth.
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Any idea what those cards sold for?
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I have the hacksaw. Meng sold for around 30 and the other guy went unsold for 10. They just look like ip autos is the problem. Youd have to record yourself opening the packs
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If WCW would have put some kind of COA on those cards they would be worth a ton. I personally think the photography from that 1995 set is some of the most under rated in the wrestling card hobby. Hogan, Macho, Flair, Vader, Sting, and they all still looked young and in decent condition. Also it was prior to the NWO era. Other Than the 1992 topps set, the 95 set was the best WCW had ever done, just based on photography alone.

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A bit off topic but one set that im surprised never comes up are the unreleased autos from 98 and 99 comic images wwf. It includes xpac, mark henry, animal, and the undertaker. All are certified on the back just never sent back in. I have seen the animal sell on ebay and it got well over 100. The others I have never seen come up for sale.
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IMHO, WCW Main Event autos will never mean all that much (to the extent they even exist) because they are unfortunately just base cards signed the same as if you had a guy sign them at a show today. There would be no way to authenticate them as originals from the manufacturer short of pulling them from the pack yourself. At only one per case or so, it would hardly be worth breaking the product searching for them, albeit I don't know exactly where all that wax went (it was another item that sat on the shelf in retail stores and ended up being heavily discounted IIRC).

As for the European cards, I'm not so sure they will be the next big thing. Aside from not being sold in the US, there's really no reason to know whether these cards were in anyway limited (and given the WCW cards at least were produced by a major company like Topps I'd have my doubts). If there's even say 5,000 of each in existence are there even 5,000 Scott Hall fans willing to pay a hefty price tag for a Scott Hall "rookie" card? Currently you can buy as many of the Heyman's as you want on Ebay for a $1.50 by the way. Also quite a few of these cards seem to be mislabeled with wrong wrestlers pictured. Looks like a poorly produced product.
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The 1992 WCW UK set is not the next big thing. That being said there are a few cards in here that will pop and go for decent money.

I have no plans to start a full registry set but will be sending in some of my better cards tomorrow.

Mark my words a PSA 9 Scott Hall will be a $100 plus card early on.
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By the way if you check out the centering and corners on the scans from those listings those are not going to grade even close to mint.

Shipping from the UK is expensive too.

I just got a shipment of these cards today and the shipping was nearly $25.
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Don't know about conditioning, guy seems to be using stock photos and selling them by the half dozen or more of each guy.

I could see a PSA 9 Hall reaching $100 if a warehouse of this stuff doesn't suddenly pop up and they are at least somewhat condition sensitive, but I don't know the answer to either of those questions other than Topps in 1992 wasn't exactly known for limiting production numbers. (then again this is Topps Ireland so who knows)
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The 1992 WCW UK set is not the next big thing. That being said there are a few cards in here that will pop and go for decent money.

I have no plans to start a full registry set but will be sending in some of my better cards tomorrow.

Mark my words a PSA 9 Scott Hall will be a $100 plus card early on.
If your Scott hall grades out as a 9 mint let me know and I will gladly give you 100 for it, I'm not joking. The 92 topps cards might be all on ebay and you can get them for 1.50 each, and there might be 5,000 scott hall cards, but the trick isn't finding 5,000 scott hall fans, the trick is a few hundred of his fans trying to get the only PSA 10 or 9 mint. Because the cards you can buy from ebay are not even close to being a 9 mint. There are a ton of Mickey Mantle cards ungraded on ebay, but how many high grade mantles are there? and how much do they pull?
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Don't know enough about the average condition on these cards, but I'd be fairly shocked that any 1992 Topps cards didn't consistently come back a high grade. Some of the older cards (in all sports) command a super premium graded because so many cards were not well taken care of before cards became an "investment" and because production quality just wasn't what it was by the 1990's. The cards you're buying on Ebay (and elsewhere) now may just be the ones people even know what they have/have already opened. Do we know how this product was sold? Packs? Sets? Retail? Hobby (assuming there us such a thing in the UK?) Are there a lot sitting around somewhere? How many were produced? For the prices they sell for now it's not such a bad gamble, but until I knew more about the set (and it's a little hard living in this country for any of us), I'd be skeptical about investing too much in higher grade cards until it can be confirmed how limited (or not limited) this set really was and what the average condition of the cards were.
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By the way, having owned enough now, a set I can personally say is condition sensitive at this point has to be the 1991 Imagine autograph cards. Unless they are all hiding somewhere in personal collections, I have not seen one auto ever from that set that could rank higher than a PSA 8 without an o/c qualifier (and even that's a stretch, they might need to go as a 7 to give them a no qualifier grade). If anyone can locate centered 9 or 10 cards at this point of those guys (especially the deceased wrestlers) that might be something someone would pay a hefty premium for.
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Just out of curiosity which is the first Hall in the set? The one where he's twerking his nip or the one with his finisher? Would love to get my hands on one (the card, not his nipple).
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It also looks like the jimmy garvin cards all show scott hall instead of garvin
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There's also a Barry Windham with Sid on the front. It looks like a pretty shoddy set frankly.

The first card, 18, with the razors edge, you would think should be his rookie, at least that's how it works in other sports.
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There's also a Barry Windham with Sid on the front. It looks like a pretty shoddy set frankly.

The first card, 18, with the razors edge, you would think should be his rookie, at least that's how it works in other sports.
Yeah that's why I was curious, Halls my all time favorite wrestler but I would have zero interest if the nipple twister was his rookie lol.. Sweet finds dpeck at $10 a set
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I view the base card as a profile shot and would rather card #52 over card #18.

That being said I am certainly going to work on both cards.

In terms of the condition of these cards. There will not be an abundance of high grade cards for many of the cards in this set. Centering is a huge issue along with corners from transportation.
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Don't know enough about the average condition on these cards, but I'd be fairly shocked that any 1992 Topps cards didn't consistently come back a high grade. Some of the older cards (in all sports) command a super premium graded because so many cards were not well taken care of before cards became an "investment" and because production quality just wasn't what it was by the 1990's. The cards you're buying on Ebay (and elsewhere) now may just be the ones people even know what they have/have already opened. Do we know how this product was sold? Packs? Sets? Retail? Hobby (assuming there us such a thing in the UK?) Are there a lot sitting around somewhere? How many were produced? For the prices they sell for now it's not such a bad gamble, but until I knew more about the set (and it's a little hard living in this country for any of us), I'd be skeptical about investing too much in higher grade cards until it can be confirmed how limited (or not limited) this set really was and what the average condition of the cards were.
I am saying this set would be tough to get in high grade because I personally have not seen a box or case surface. Ebay has no history of one selling. These cards are hard to find in mint or better condition. I have purchased altmost all that I can find in the past year and not one single card is Gem. If someone does have cases in a storage unit somewhere I would like to get my hands on them.

Also it is hard to compare wrestling cards to the big 3 in sports collecting. In 1992 collectors went out of their way to keep the big 3 in as good of condition as they can, or hoard unopened boxes. Wrestling cards on the other hand, not so much.
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