Thoughts on Sportkings D

[Zerokruel]

Originally Posted by CaptainBOHICA

yes or no.

would you buy the empty boxes if they weren't part of a redemption program?

This is an easy question. Also, will these boxes have a value when the redemption program is over? So, would the value for the box toppers be considered short term and really only value those looking to make the quick rip-n-flip? There is obviously no reason to hold on to them long term since they will not go up in value.

[MikeDtonation]

Originally Posted by CaptainBOHICA

yes or no.

would you buy the empty boxes if they weren't part of a redemption program?

Empty boxes are collectibles even if not part of redemption programs. In the long run, people throw all of them away and they will become rare. I'm no empty box collector, so your answer is "no" in my case, but I'm about sure some people would buy them to collect or only to be part of some kind of displays in their collection.

[MikeDtonation]

1961 FLEER BASKETBALL EMPTY DISPLAY BOX W/ 15 WRAPPERS - eBay (item 120397328480 end time Aug-17-10 12:40:24 PDT)

[Zerokruel]

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

1961 FLEER BASKETBALL EMPTY DISPLAY BOX W/ 15 WRAPPERS - eBay (item 120397328480 end time Aug-17-10 12:40:24 PDT)

What's wrong, you couldnt find '52 Topps box? You cant compare the two, or even say they will ever be in the same league - no matter how you twist it. Production for cards from the '50-70 was no where near what it is today. There wasn't as much selection back to choose from back then, and alot of it didn't survive. Production also wasn't as massive in the earlier years as it is today.

It's a candy shop of products on the shelf - it's unlimited supply is not impressive.

[MikeDtonation]

Originally Posted by Zerokruel

What's wrong, you couldnt find '52 Topps box? You cant compare the two, or even say they will ever be in the same league - no matter how you twist it. Production for cards from the '50-70 was no where near what it is today. There wasn't as much selection back to choose from back then, and alot of it didn't survive. Production also wasn't as massive in the earlier years as it is today.

It's a candy shop of products on the shelf - it's unlimited supply is not impressive.

Yeah, sportkings is not short printed. Right.
And with almost the totality of empty boxes flatened and returned to sportkings it's clear a LOT of them will survive. Nice analysis.

EDIT : An why would I be looking for 1952 topps? No I wasn't looking for 1952 topps I was looking for emtpy wrappers or box and picked the first one I saw with a good value. Why do you think you know what other people are thinking or trying to do? Obviously you don't.

[MikeDtonation]

Originally Posted by Cutty

Something else I just found...Did Carl Lewis die? What happened to all on-card auto's?...

2010 Sportkings Series D Carl Lewis 1/1 GOLD Cut Auto - eBay (item 250667848313 end time Jul-18-10 14:37:52 PDT)

hmmmm. Yeah that's a cut auto, like sportkings are doing from day 1. Nice catch!

[Zerokruel]

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

Yeah, sportkings is not short printed. Right.
And with almost the totality of empty boxes flatened and returned to sportkings it's clear a LOT of them will survive. Nice analysis.

You missed the point clearly.

[MikeDtonation]

Originally Posted by Zerokruel

You missed the point clearly.

What point am I missing? Of course we can compare those 2 empty boxes. I never told Sportkings empty box will get 1700$ for in 50 years. I just demonstrated empty boxes can have value in the long run.

How will worth a sportkings serie D empty box in 50 years, I have no clue and no one does.

Some people will definetly buy some in case it happens, we call them collectors.

[Zerokruel]

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

What point am I missing? Of course we can compare those 2 empty boxes. I never told Sportkings empty box will get 1700$ for in 50 years. I just demonstrated empty boxes can have value in the long run.

How will worth a sportkings serie D empty box in 50 years, I have no clue and no one does.

Some people will definetly buy some in case it happens, we call them collectors.

Are you just saying Sporkings boxes will have a value? Or can say an Exquisite box have a value in the future? Exquisite has never had a redemption program, but yet the empty boxes still sold for money. I believe the same could be said about National Treasure and Topps Sterling. No?

My point is, the time period you selected was much different than what we have currently.

To say that this product is limited or that the boxes will be more limited because they are being sent back is not valid in the end. Product will be ripped, and boxes will be tossed in EVERY product. However, we come from a time frame where there is a heavy selection of wax (sport cards and non-sport cards). So when you look back and try to decide what is good and what is not - wouldnt this just be an era of production? There is so much to choose from, that nothing is really limited - including boxes.

I'm really not going to get into this much more, because I try to stay out of there as much as possible and was doing so good for a while there. But we wall have our slips.

[raiderguy10]

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

hmmmm. Yeah that's a cut auto, like sportkings are doing from day 1. Nice catch!

Can anyone name the product? Please help.

Wow; how quickly we forget young grasshopper.

[MikeDtonation]

Originally Posted by Zerokruel

Are you just saying Sporkings boxes will have a value? Or can say an Exquisite box have a value in the future? Exquisite has never had a redemption program, but yet the empty boxes still sold for money. I believe the same could be said about National Treasure and Topps Sterling. No?

My point is, the time period you selected was much different than what we have currently.

To say that this product is limited or that the boxes will be more limited because they are being sent back is not valid in the end. Product will be ripped, and boxes will be tossed in EVERY product. However, we come from a time frame where there is a heavy selection of wax (sport cards and non-sport cards). So when you look back and try to decide what is good and what is not - wouldnt this just be an era of production? There is so much to choose from, that nothing is really limited - including boxes.

I'm really not going to get into this much more, because I try to stay out of there as much as possible and was doing so good for a while there. But we wall have our slips.

Exactly my point. I'm not pretending sportkings boxes will have the greatest value of the production era, but from a collecting point of view, they have a fair chance to be one of the product that will be good prospects because of many aspects :

1-They are limited as hell compare to most sets.
2-They are expensive to buy.
3-They are part of a very incitative redemption program (that cause some people to offer 15$/box to send them in)
4-Not many people keeps empty boxes. (some people are even creating threads to laugh about people that are ready to pay 15$/piece)

If you put all of this together we know at least one information. Those boxes will be scarce. That's for sure.

The thing we don't know, will demand be there for them? Future will tell, but at least one part of the equation is known wich would justify to pay a 15$ to own one and save it to the future.

End of the story for me as well on those empty boxes, everything as being said.

[37Jetson]

Are you the Canadian Wheeler, Eh? Are direct questions that difficult to answer?

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

Yeah, sportkings is not short printed. Right.
And with almost the totality of empty boxes flatened and returned to sportkings it's clear a LOT of them will survive. Nice analysis.

EDIT : An why would I be looking for 1952 topps? No I wasn't looking for 1952 topps I was looking for emtpy wrappers or box and picked the first one I saw with a good value. Why do you think you know what other people are thinking or trying to do? Obviously you don't.

[MikeDtonation]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Are you the Canadian Wheeler, Eh? Are direct questions that difficult to answer?

lol. Here's a direct answer : no. I'm not Canadian Wheeler.

I believe evey question has been answered. Not my problem if you can't read.

[raiderguy10]

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

lol. Here's a direct answer : no. I'm not Canadian Wheeler.

I believe evey question has been answered. Not my problem if you can't read.

You didn't respond to my post. Did you forget that whole thread with the ranting on 100% on-card autos??

[Zerokruel]

I just want to point one thing out. My general analysis has nothing to do with Sportkings boxes in general - but the entire run of wax in todays current market. Everything gets opened and shredded. No matter what the production run is, in the end - it all ends up in the trash over time.

My point on the Sk boxes was the value now, compared to when the redemption program is over. So it is considered a short term value. Unless in 50 years something happens. But that is not here nor there.

[Cutty]

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

hmmmm. Yeah that's a cut auto, like sportkings are doing from day 1. Nice catch!

Including cut auto's from living athletes completely contradicts the selling point of all on-card auto's, that SK (or maybe just Wheeler) has been promoting...that was the catch.

[raiderguy10]

^^^^ ding ding ding ^^^^^

[Zerokruel]

Eh, were only on 20 pages. I guess we could make it a little longer.

[MikeDtonation]

Originally Posted by Cutty

Including cut auto's from living athletes completely contradicts the selling point of all on-card auto's, that SK (or maybe just Wheeler) has been promoting...that was the catch.

I would not say it's killing the selling point since I would be probably more happy to grab this 1/1 cut card than most of the on-card auto included in the product. (assuming it's a 1/1, I haven't validated that)

So does that means the autothreads are not counting in the on-card auto? Because it's not on the cardboard?

All on-card auto means : no sticker. Is this simplified enough?

[raiderguy10]

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

I would not say it's killing the selling point since I would be probably more happy to grab this 1/1 cut card than most of the on-card auto included in the product. (assuming it's a 1/1, I haven't validated that)

So does that means the autothreads are not counting in the on-card auto? Because it's not on the cardboard?

All on-card auto means : no sticker. Is this simplified enough?

Is a cut auto an on-card auto?

Even Wheeler voted 'no' on that. Again, if you would respond to my post earlier you'd see what we are getting at. You may want to stop diggin any time; you won't make it out soon.....

[mnvikingstwins]

Hey Matt, you better get on SCF now Does 2010 Sports kings look real - Sports Card Forum - Sports Cards Community Don't worry though, I told him to ask you about it since you're madly in love with SK

[Zerokruel]

Originally Posted by MikeDtonation

I would not say it's killing the selling point since I would be probably more happy to grab this 1/1 cut card than most of the on-card auto included in the product. (assuming it's a 1/1, I haven't validated that)

So does that means the autothreads are not counting in the on-card auto? Because it's not on the cardboard?

All on-card auto means : no sticker. Is this simplified enough?

No, on card autograph means the card has been "hard" signed. I don't know where you come up with this. A sticker or a "cut" are both "adding" a signature to the card. A card can't be hand signed when you are adding something to it. Is that not simply enough to understand? See, I can be condescending too.

[CaptainBOHICA]

hey how about that one mattingly patch that was supposedly from the 50th anniversary of jackie robinson.......remember that one?

*stir stir stir*

[Cutty]

While we're at it, the picture of the hats on the "hat's off" cards are quite misleading

[MikeDtonation]

What the whole world understands except a few here on this board, is : We don't give a sh%?& about your question of : "Does the cut auto is or not an on-card auto". No one does.

It is a worldwide concensus that sportkings never intend to mislead anyone with this labeling. In fact I think only 2 person in the world continue to talk about this.

EDIT : sorry maybe 3.