Age Limit Anyone? - Page 6

gamboooler · 09-03-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blowe12

You can write me a 10,000 word essay if you like, but you're still missing the point. Its against the law to agree to a contract with a minor. If anything should go wrong when b/s/t with one, you're at risk because of the laws in this country. Therefore, why can't there be an emblem in peoples profiles showing they are under 18? That way people KNOW the risk before doing the transaction. Then its up to people to choose if they want to deal with the minor or not is all I'm saying. There's no wasting time in asking someone their age...the emblem is there if they are underaged, its not if they are 18+. I don't see the issue in that being a bad idea.

As far as the OP...it does not matter if they use DC or insurance until an issue arises with the transaction (buyer doesn't receive card). I am generalizing, but the times that has happened to me, its always been a minor sending the card. I just think some of the younger guys should be educated on the mailing and paypal shipping processes.

It is not against the law to contract with a minor. I explained it in my 10,000 word essay.

blowe12 · 09-03-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gamboooler

It is not against the law to contract with a minor. I explained it in my 10,000 word essay.

Then I guess its case closed then.

tonedef2oo8 · 09-03-2012, 07:40 PM

Fun fact

If you trade with a minor you can do absolutely nothing to get your money back if something goes awry. Binding contracts can not be issued between minors and adults. Best you can do is take them to small claims when they turn 8 (good luck). Therefore there should be an age limit.

gamboooler · 09-03-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blowe12

Then I guess its case closed then.

It should be as you made that your central point, but I'm sure it'll be something else next.

tman109ner · 09-03-2012, 07:45 PM

I've said it once, I'll say it as many times as I have to. By "limiting" or "excluding" younger members ruins the hobby for us. I understand some of us are by all means, unreliable but I'd say that it shouldn't be taken out on the rest of us.

gamboooler · 09-03-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

Fun fact

If you trade with a minor you can do absolutely nothing to get your money back if something goes awry. Binding contracts can not be issued between minors and adults. Best you can do is take them to small claims when they turn 8 (good luck). Therefore there should be an age limit.

First, there are things you can do. As I explained earlier, just because a contract is voidable, doesn't mean the kid gets to keep the card. Second, as a practical matter, you are S.O.L. if someone runs off with your card regardless of age. Are you going to hire a lawyer and go after someone over $500? Even if you go to small claims on your own, you pay the filing fee, and you win, how are you going to collect?

frostyagain · 09-03-2012, 09:04 PM

The few minors on here use better spelling and grammar than most of the members.

Unless a few of them told you, you probably wouldn't know they were under 18. I think that they should be able to stay.

The hobby was originally built for them, and so why are they being torn from it?

ttmtrader101 · 09-03-2012, 09:09 PM

Would you rather have the hobby be kids going around trading with whom ever, just for trading, getting those 'shiny' cards and looking for their favorite player, and not trying to find people to do a fair deal, and using all this SV and whatnot to make the deal as fair as possible for someone to make money. I do this to have fun and make a little in the process. No body else does this in my school. I stumbled across this site, and was having fun and making money. Whats the point of this site if kids with good feedback and such, like myself cannot trade? Then I would not be on here, not have amazing cards, and sit at home playing video games or other stuff with my friends...

blowe12 · 09-03-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ttmtrader101

Would you rather have the hobby be kids going around trading with whom ever, just for trading, getting those 'shiny' cards and looking for their favorite player, and not trying to find people to do a fair deal, and using all this SV and whatnot to make the deal as fair as possible for someone to make money. I do this to have fun and make a little in the process. No body else does this in my school. I stumbled across this site, and was having fun and making money. Whats the point of this site if kids with good feedback and such, like myself cannot trade? Then I would not be on here, not have amazing cards, and sit at home playing video games or other stuff with my friends...

No one said you wouldn't be able to trade....you're proving my point that minors rarely read and understand what's going on.

mrchipz · 09-03-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bars and Bar

Direct link

How old are you?

thanks! lol lot of members already participated

frostyagain · 09-03-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blowe12

No one said you wouldn't be able to trade....you're proving my point that minors rarely read and understand what's going on.

You don't understand how to read and "what's going on" because this is supposed be posted in the "Suggestions" area.

Bars and Bar · 09-03-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by frostyagain

You don't understand how to read and "what's going on" because this is supposed be posted in the "Suggestions" area.

I was going to post this, but I'm off duty. (Forum police officer)

a-train10 · 09-03-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blowe12

No one said you wouldn't be able to trade....you're proving my point that minors rarely read and understand what's going on.

Yeah, there's a good way to get more kids into the hobby. Generalize all of them. I mean, you've been here for 6 months, so you must know all. Stop. The truth is that the most of us can handle our business around here. I'm not saying all, but most (As in 95%) of the people in this thread who are under the age of 18 are well-respected members.

babyfaceposey · 09-03-2012, 09:54 PM

I like the idea of having kids on the forum. They are the future of the hobby, if people can't take jokes put them on ignore. If that's not good enough, find another forums. My son is into collecting and I love to see the younger generations collecting. Let them learn from the knowledge that is found on this forum.

Mrpokey · 09-03-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tman109ner

I've said it once, I'll say it as many times as I have to. By "limiting" or "excluding" younger members ruins the hobby for us. I understand some of us are by all means, unreliable but I'd say that it shouldn't be taken out on the rest of us.

A few random thoughts as I was reading this thread:

1) I have no problems with minors that are at 100% feedback, and say 50+ Itrader. TTMtrader, Strasburg, Homerun, ATrain, etc

2) I'd at least like to see ALL minors get a emblem on this site, at least till they hit 50 Itrader and 100% positive feedback

3) About half or more of the minors whining in this thread have had past problems B/S/T as you can tell from their feedback.

4) I completely agree with a ban on any age member with positive Itrader feedback under XX%, wether it's 90% or whatever.

Cubs_rock21 · 09-04-2012, 01:47 AM

Hard to ban minors from a site devoted to talking about sports cards, lmao...Cards were for kids to collect...adults turned it into a game, obviously when adults on this site take the game seriously they don't want minors stepping on their toes, but it's just what you have to deal with.

ScooterD · 09-04-2012, 11:05 AM

This whole thread is an off-shoot of a thread I posted a few days ago about the legal ramifications and consequences stemming from attempting to contract (B/S/T) with a minor. That thread did not receive many responses, and, after reading this thread, I am a little frustrated.

All of the members I have come across who are under 18 are very trustworthy and enthusiastic about the hobby. In my thread, I discussed the legal problems associated with attempting to contract with a minor. While this topic was lightly addressed in this thread, there has yet to be an example (from a member of any age) of a law, regulation, ordinance or Court holding which stands for the notion that an adult attempting to contract with a minor can retain equal footing in the transaction (i.e., could enforce the contract against the minor after substantial performance is completed).

My thread was created to point out a possible flaw in the online world of buying, selling and trading cards with people of unknown status (age of majority) from the Internet. I hoped that someone (possibly a mod or someone with extensive knowledge of Internet commercial sales) would see my thread and explain what safeguard(s) is/are in place to deal with such situations. That has not happened; rather, several threads have popped up discussing immaturity, grammar and whether school is back in session.

Those topics do not concern me as much as legally sound, well-reasoned statements concerning the rights of parties entering into a minority/majority contractual obligation. Quite honestly, I would love to see one of our more junior members address these matters, as doing so would exemplify the type of maturity and education which will serve you better in 10 years time than a "mojo-tastic" pull.

hoopster3977 · 09-04-2012, 12:49 PM

Being one of the older members here, I do at times take exception to some of the posts/threads made by some of the younger members.

I will encourage for the hobby to include teenagers/young adults to be a part of this fantastic hobby. I get disappointed by some of the behavior and gang mentality though. I get really annoyed at the B/S//T board, with the lowball offers, people wanting an Ebay discount on fees, etc. I know what the value of my cards are, and please respect that opinion. But it happens all too frequently.

I've been selling on Ebay for over 10 years, I have a Powerseller and Highest Seller rating. I do treat buyers, sellers, and hobby collectors as I want to be treated.

In the years of selling, the worst transactions I have ever had are by teenagers that use their parents Ebay and PayPal accounts. Especially the buyers, they feel they have a hammer to either extort feedback by asking for refunds, or monitary adjustments to invoices. If mistakes are made, they use it to their full advantage instead of realizing a mistake has been made and will not work with me to make the transaction either successful or satisfactory for both parties. There is no compromise, which I hope they will learn with experience.

I am glad this came up for discussion, don't let the immature members ruin it for our other younger members that want to get established and gain respectability.

rtaylor16 · 09-06-2012, 08:32 AM

hi everyone im new here but i hope to at least commit some help here. i am also a minor being 15 but ive been in cards since i was born because my dad used 2 own a card shop up in new jersey and then when i was 6 i started collecting so im not going to be like other minors i also got a lot of great stuff that i will upload pics of on sat.ill have 2 tell my dad about this site because he might like it as well well guys i g2g bc im at school laters.p.s.(sorry about the texting language

09-03-2012, 07:45 PM	#130 (permalink)
tman109ner Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 728	I've said it once, I'll say it as many times as I have to. By "limiting" or "excluding" younger members ruins the hobby for us. I understand some of us are by all means, unreliable but I'd say that it shouldn't be taken out on the rest of us. __________________ photobucket.com/tman109ner

09-03-2012, 09:04 PM	#132 (permalink)
frostyagain Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,434	The few minors on here use better spelling and grammar than most of the members. Unless a few of them told you, you probably wouldn't know they were under 18. I think that they should be able to stay. The hobby was originally built for them, and so why are they being torn from it? __________________ I ship on fridays. Collecting Ronnie Hillman cards that have been cut in half!

09-03-2012, 09:09 PM	#133 (permalink)
ttmtrader101 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 4,868 attic-quities	Would you rather have the hobby be kids going around trading with whom ever, just for trading, getting those 'shiny' cards and looking for their favorite player, and not trying to find people to do a fair deal, and using all this SV and whatnot to make the deal as fair as possible for someone to make money. I do this to have fun and make a little in the process. No body else does this in my school. I stumbled across this site, and was having fun and making money. Whats the point of this site if kids with good feedback and such, like myself cannot trade? Then I would not be on here, not have amazing cards, and sit at home playing video games or other stuff with my friends... __________________ BLOWOUTS Bryce Harper SUPERCOLLECTOR!!! Side PC: Andrew Luck Bucket: http://s1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd448/ttmtrader101/ "Jamie harper hell no. Roman harper hell no. That's the only harpers I know lol"- Addicted36

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babyfaceposey Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Fresh out the womb Posts: 2,105 beautifulmystery31	I like the idea of having kids on the forum. They are the future of the hobby, if people can't take jokes put them on ignore. If that's not good enough, find another forums. My son is into collecting and I love to see the younger generations collecting. Let them learn from the knowledge that is found on this forum. __________________ Looking for 2012 Topps Tribute Black Parallels /60 Looking for 2012 Bowman Draft Jumbo Patches /25

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09-03-2012, 07:40 PM	#128 (permalink)
tonedef2oo8 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,704	Fun fact If you trade with a minor you can do absolutely nothing to get your money back if something goes awry. Binding contracts can not be issued between minors and adults. Best you can do is take them to small claims when they turn 8 (good luck). Therefore there should be an age limit.

09-04-2012, 01:47 AM	#141 (permalink)
Cubs_rock21 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,391	Hard to ban minors from a site devoted to talking about sports cards, lmao...Cards were for kids to collect...adults turned it into a game, obviously when adults on this site take the game seriously they don't want minors stepping on their toes, but it's just what you have to deal with.

09-04-2012, 11:05 AM	#142 (permalink)
ScooterD Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 854	This whole thread is an off-shoot of a thread I posted a few days ago about the legal ramifications and consequences stemming from attempting to contract (B/S/T) with a minor. That thread did not receive many responses, and, after reading this thread, I am a little frustrated. All of the members I have come across who are under 18 are very trustworthy and enthusiastic about the hobby. In my thread, I discussed the legal problems associated with attempting to contract with a minor. While this topic was lightly addressed in this thread, there has yet to be an example (from a member of any age) of a law, regulation, ordinance or Court holding which stands for the notion that an adult attempting to contract with a minor can retain equal footing in the transaction (i.e., could enforce the contract against the minor after substantial performance is completed). My thread was created to point out a possible flaw in the online world of buying, selling and trading cards with people of unknown status (age of majority) from the Internet. I hoped that someone (possibly a mod or someone with extensive knowledge of Internet commercial sales) would see my thread and explain what safeguard(s) is/are in place to deal with such situations. That has not happened; rather, several threads have popped up discussing immaturity, grammar and whether school is back in session. Those topics do not concern me as much as legally sound, well-reasoned statements concerning the rights of parties entering into a minority/majority contractual obligation. Quite honestly, I would love to see one of our more junior members address these matters, as doing so would exemplify the type of maturity and education which will serve you better in 10 years time than a "mojo-tastic" pull.

09-04-2012, 12:49 PM	#143 (permalink)
hoopster3977 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Upper Peninsula Posts: 1,020	Being one of the older members here, I do at times take exception to some of the posts/threads made by some of the younger members. I will encourage for the hobby to include teenagers/young adults to be a part of this fantastic hobby. I get disappointed by some of the behavior and gang mentality though. I get really annoyed at the B/S//T board, with the lowball offers, people wanting an Ebay discount on fees, etc. I know what the value of my cards are, and please respect that opinion. But it happens all too frequently. I've been selling on Ebay for over 10 years, I have a Powerseller and Highest Seller rating. I do treat buyers, sellers, and hobby collectors as I want to be treated. In the years of selling, the worst transactions I have ever had are by teenagers that use their parents Ebay and PayPal accounts. Especially the buyers, they feel they have a hammer to either extort feedback by asking for refunds, or monitary adjustments to invoices. If mistakes are made, they use it to their full advantage instead of realizing a mistake has been made and will not work with me to make the transaction either successful or satisfactory for both parties. There is no compromise, which I hope they will learn with experience. I am glad this came up for discussion, don't let the immature members ruin it for our other younger members that want to get established and gain respectability.

09-06-2012, 08:32 AM	#144 (permalink)
rtaylor16 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: xenia,ohio Posts: 538 TimeWarp_Cards rtaylor16	hi everyone im new here but i hope to at least commit some help here. i am also a minor being 15 but ive been in cards since i was born because my dad used 2 own a card shop up in new jersey and then when i was 6 i started collecting so im not going to be like other minors i also got a lot of great stuff that i will upload pics of on sat.ill have 2 tell my dad about this site because he might like it as well well guys i g2g bc im at school laters.p.s.(sorry about the texting language