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Old 12-15-2013, 10:31 PM   #26 (permalink)
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$15,600. reserve not met.
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:31 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Not if you've been around the hobby for the past 10-15 years. It's pretty well known throughout the hobby that PSA gives preferential treatment to its highest volume submitters...
Your response is naive.
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:32 PM   #28 (permalink)
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$15,600. reserve not met.
This exact card sold for 20k earlier this year. I would not expect the person that purchased it to take less.
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Old 12-15-2013, 11:46 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Not if you've been around the hobby for the past 10-15 years. It's pretty well known throughout the hobby that PSA gives preferential treatment to its highest volume submitters...
100% Correct.
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:27 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I'm going to start a grading company. I'm going to call it the Total Bastard Grading Company, or TBGC for short.

Getting a 10 is going to be borderline impossible, our 9s are going to be like BGS 9.5s, and there will be sulfur coming out of our smokestacks.

When you have a TBGC 10, you will know you have the best dang card on the planet. It will be better than a free puppy.
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:50 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I'm going to start a grading company. I'm going to call it the Total Bastard Grading Company, or TBGC for short.

Getting a 10 is going to be borderline impossible, our 9s are going to be like BGS 9.5s, and there will be sulfur coming out of our smokestacks.

When you have a TBGC 10, you will know you have the best dang card on the planet. It will be better than a free puppy.
If I submit 50+ cards can you include a free puppy?
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If I submit 50+ cards can you include a free puppy?
Not sure how to get it in a box... but I'm serious about all of it... except for the name, there aren't that many people in this hobby old enough to get the SNL reference to Total Bastard Airlines.

With the problems PSA has and the obvious conflict of interest Beckett has with two different levels of grading and magically making their Gem Mints 20% higher in value than other gem mints, its time for a new company.

...and I plan to do it right.
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Not sure how to get it in a box... but I'm serious about all of it... except for the name, there aren't that many people in this hobby old enough to get the SNL reference to Total Bastard Airlines.

With the problems PSA has and the obvious conflict of interest Beckett has with two different levels of grading and magically making their Gem Mints 20% higher in value than other gem mints, its time for a new company.

...and I plan to do it right.
Do you drink Dos Equis?
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Old 12-18-2013, 05:27 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Do you drink Dos Equis?
I just got my 2 year chip... so I drank a significant amount of everything, including probably Dos Equis, but not any more. Being sober is better than a free puppy too.
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I just got my 2 year chip... so I drank a significant amount of everything, including probably Dos Equis, but not any more. Being sober is better than a free puppy too.
congrats on that...im not at 2 years but getting close to a year. i dunno know if being sober is better than selling a 20k robin yount though!
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Old 12-20-2013, 03:25 PM   #36 (permalink)
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That...... Is...... Not....... A...... 10
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Old 12-20-2013, 03:49 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Ya mean like all the probstein auctions that sell as PSA 8 then a week later are listed as PSA 10s? How about the art shell rookie or the 85 Walter Payton? Neither close to a 10, but both were resubmitted by probstein and got 10s.
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Looks like a 10 to me. I'd like to entertained a bit more and hear you guys out on this "preferred submitter" ordeal.

That "fraying" you are so concerned about is from the factory and actually held in higher regards by some collectors. Back centering is within tolerance for a 10.

Keep in mind with VERY high quality scans cards can appear on your computer screen as if you were looking at them with a loupe in hand. Have you ever actually louped a 75 PSA 10? I know I have... I've owned and dealt with quite a few...

Is this card the strongest 10? Are there 9's more attractive? No and yes, but to think people get preferential treatment is a bit out there...
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Ya mean like all the probstein auctions that sell as PSA 8 then a week later are listed as PSA 10s? How about the art shell rookie or the 85 Walter Payton? Neither close to a 10, but both were resubmitted by probstein and got 10s.
LOL, probstein is a consignment eaby seller. They don't submit cards to PSA themselves.
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Old 12-20-2013, 07:35 PM   #39 (permalink)
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congrats on that...im not at 2 years but getting close to a year. i dunno know if being sober is better than selling a 20k robin yount though!
I'm sure it is. Keep it up, if you need to chat, PM me.
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LOL, probstein is a consignment eaby seller. They don't submit cards to PSA themselves.
Keep believing that.
A consigner sends Probstein123 an Art Shell RC graded a PSA 8 and it appears to sell on eBay for $47. A week later, the SAME card is again on eBay by Probstein123, but this time the card is magically a PSA 10 and sells for $3150.02

Another consigner sends Probstein123 a John Havlicek RC graded a PSA 7 and it appears to sell on eBay for $152.50. A week later, the SAME card is again on eBay by Probstein123, but this time the card is magically a PSA 8.5 and sells for $611

Amazingly it was the same buyer! So this magical buyer has time to win the auction, pay, have it shipped to him. Send it out to psa, have it graded, return shipped from psa, send it back to probstein for consignment all in 6 days. And both cards happen to be severely undergraded? Yeah...ok...
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Keep believing that.
A consigner sends Probstein123 an Art Shell RC graded a PSA 8 and it appears to sell on eBay for $47. A week later, the SAME card is again on eBay by Probstein123, but this time the card is magically a PSA 10 and sells for $3150.02

Another consigner sends Probstein123 a John Havlicek RC graded a PSA 7 and it appears to sell on eBay for $152.50. A week later, the SAME card is again on eBay by Probstein123, but this time the card is magically a PSA 8.5 and sells for $611

Amazingly it was the same buyer! So this magical buyer has time to win the auction, pay, have it shipped to him. Send it out to psa, have it graded, return shipped from psa, send it back to probstein for consignment all in 6 days. And both cards happen to be severely undergraded? Yeah...ok...
Can u link the auctions here
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Old 12-21-2013, 10:01 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Can anybody explain why the card seems to have a butter knife OPC cut on the right border and a normal 1975 Topps quality cut on the left border? Is this a sheet cut card?
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Can u link the auctions here
There are threads here on them I will look for them.
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Am I allowed to link to other sites to show the threads on these?
Also I will post a quote from one of the links at the coll. universe forum on a different card that is also a sketchy 10 being a 9 at best.


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we submitted the card raw and scored a 10....
so far the auction is moving in the right direction....
thanks for the interest
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So yeah, they do submit. Here is a picture of a 1958 Red Wilson. The same card he is saying he submitted raw. If you blow the two photos They are the IDENTICAL card with the identical print flaws and markings. This card was resubmitted and turned a $28 card into a $4000+ card. http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps941c154c.jpg

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Hope it shows up now.

Here is the link to the psa8 art shell. the pics are gone now but it is the same card. It was Also shilled through probstein. The person that supposedly won the psa 8 http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=110909530402 Then resubmitted and had it magically turn into a 10 also bid on his own card that he reconsigned as a 10. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=140819406508

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Hope it shows up now.

Here is the link to the psa8 art shell. the pics are gone now but it is the same card. It was Also shilled through probstein. The person that supposedly won the psa 8 eBay.com Item Bid History Then resubmitted and had it magically turn into a 10 also bid on his own card that he reconsigned as a 10. eBay.com Item Bid History


That isn't the same card. The card on the right has a white print bubble that doesn't show up in the left one. That print bubble ought to keep it from being PSA 10.

That's why y'all need to start grading with Total Bastard Grading Company... we're better than a free puppy!
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IMO those two Red Wilson's are the same exact card. The black marks on the bottom white border are the same, the white dots in the A in "catcher" are the same, The white marks above the S in "Tigers" are the same, and the White dots above and to the right of the R in "catcher" are the same.
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Cards in print runs usually have same marking on each copy for the most part. Fisheyes ect...Why some are impossible to find clean. Probably not same card, but it isn't unheard of for a 8 to bump to a 10. Very rare but happens. Crackout game is dangerous and most of time it's bust. Once in awhile it pays off.
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IMO those two Red Wilson's are the same exact card. The black marks on the bottom white border are the same, the white dots in the A in "catcher" are the same, The white marks above the S in "Tigers" are the same, and the White dots above and to the right of the R in "catcher" are the same.
agree, but they did something to the card, the colors are brighter.
definitely something fishy going on here.....
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